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Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 24 January 2011, in the House of Lords.
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Lords committee stage (twelfth day). Clause 11 amendments considered, one amendment (74BA) agreed.
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724 c679-744, c781-836 
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2010-12
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Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
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Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c742 (Link to this contribution) I just wondered whether it was in the Edinburgh South UK parliamentary constituency or the Edinburgh...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 724 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, some of us are very keen to see the possibility of some approach that would lead to a solu...

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Lord Grenfell | 724 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not taken part in the debates on the many amendments that have been before us becau...
Lord Naseby | 724 c689 (Link to this contribution) I had a highly marginal seat in Northampton South and I had three local authorities to liaise with. ...
Lord Snape | 724 c686-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in speaking to this group of amendments, I bear in mind the exchange that has just taken p...
Lord Snape | 724 c686 (Link to this contribution) 68: Clause 11, page 9, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) Each constituency shall be wholly within a sing...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c686 (Link to this contribution) I thank all those who have taken part, particularly the noble and learned Lord. I very much recognis...
Lord Naseby | 724 c689 (Link to this contribution) Well, after 23 and a half years it is not surprising that there were changes made. Yes, the present ...
Lord Snape | 724 c689 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the Boundary Commission, having noted the elevation of the former Member to your Lord...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c689 (Link to this contribution) I think I am right to recall that the boundary review for the seat for Northampton South took place ...
Lord Snape | 724 c689 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I noticed that the noble Lord lost his seat in Northampton South at one stage as well; I do not...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 724 c684 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have given notice that I again wish to propose that we do not continue with these procee...
Lord McNally | 724 c679 (Link to this contribution) That the House do now resolve itself into Committee. That the House do now resolve itself into Comm...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Leader of the House for his statement. We welcome the Government’s co...
Lord Strathclyde | 724 c679-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we begin another week almost entirely dedicated to the Parliamentary Voting System and ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 724 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what the noble Baroness, Lady D’Souza, has just said is of extreme importance. She has sum...
Baroness D'Souza | 724 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak on behalf of the Cross-Benchers. It will come as no surprise that there is deep co...
Lord Bilston | 724 c696 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not intend to detain the House for long but I am anxious to give my support to the am...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c697 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there was talk earlier this afternoon and last week about filibustering. I cannot believe ...
Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 724 c693-4 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak specifically to Amendment 69, which states: "““Each constituency shall contain only ...
Lord Haworth | 724 c694-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first time that I have spoken in the debate on the Bill—it may be the only tim...
Viscount Eccles | 724 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. He would help me if he could tell me how his remarks relate to the ...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c697 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the noble Viscount, as I am delighted that I may have provoked him to rise to hi...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Snape. Counties are the starti...
Lord Dubs | 724 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments. Perhaps I may give an example of where even the Boundary Commi...
Lord Snape | 724 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 71 refers to three local authorities, I think. I have been aware of some of the difficulti...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He is making a useful contribution and he is absolut...
Lord Rennard | 724 c701 (Link to this contribution) Introducing a specific hierarchy of priorities is rather more problematic than the noble Lord might ...
Lord Snape | 724 c701 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me for interrupting him so early in his interesting contribu...
Lord Rennard | 724 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) I am saying very carefully that I think that there are good arguments for looking at the degree of v...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c702 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is emphasising the need to take greater notice of the 5 per cent or 10 per cent argum...
Lord Rennard | 724 c702 (Link to this contribution) The only principle I will express in this part of the debate is my overarching belief, shared by man...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c698 (Link to this contribution) I shall answer the noble Viscount right away. As he says, it has always been the tradition and habit...
Viscount Eccles | 724 c698 (Link to this contribution) As I read these amendments, the noble Lord is not correct when he says that there are to be exceptio...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c698-700 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and that is necessary in the circumstances. I do not hold to every word of these amendments,...
Lord Rennard | 724 c700 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the conclusion of today’s business, no doubt in the small hours of tomorrow morning, I ...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c704 (Link to this contribution) I have probably known the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, even longer than I have known my noble friend Lo...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c703 (Link to this contribution) I am not in favour of any absolutes—that is my point—but I am in favour of greater flexibility, whic...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c704 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may take my noble friend back to the very interesting and constructive contribution of the...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c703 (Link to this contribution) I cannot think what it was in my remarks—because no doubt the noble Lord intervened on me seeking cl...
Lord Snape | 724 c703 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend moves on, I put to him the point that I sought to put to the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Tyler | 724 c703 (Link to this contribution) The impression seems to be given by Members opposite that somehow the existing situation is that a c...
Lord Rennard | 724 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) I wish to conclude my argument and not take further interventions. I think that we should make more ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 68 to 71 specify more explicitly the way in which the Boundary Commissions are ...
Lord Dubs | 724 c711 (Link to this contribution) I may not have been clear. I was referring to a situation where a council estate was owned by one lo...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c711 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification. As I indicated, under the existing rules, 19 out of 32 London ...
Lord Bach | 724 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry the noble Lord, Lord Naseby, is not in his place. I should have asked him at the time. Th...
Lord Rooker | 724 c706-7 (Link to this contribution) I fully accept that, and that was made clear in one of my previous speeches: that the local authorit...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c707-8 (Link to this contribution) I intervene only following the intervention of the noble Lord, Lord Rennard. I am interested in the ...
Lord Bach | 724 c708-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an interesting debate on interesting subjects, and we look forward to hearing ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 724 c710 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble friend or the Minister tell me whether the sort of flexibility that the Leader of the H...
Lord Rooker | 724 c704-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once upon a time there was a place known as the Royal Borough of Sutton Coldfield, just to...
Lord Grocott | 724 c706 (Link to this contribution) For a very long time, my noble friend represented a constituency that was essentially in the centre ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c713 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend Lord Rennard said, there is no limit to the number of special cases. If we move w...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) I would be very grateful if the Minister could give the House his response to the following observat...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c712 (Link to this contribution) I defer to the noble Lord’s superior knowledge of the English local government system. In the case o...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c716 (Link to this contribution) 71A: Clause 11, page 9, leave out lines 31 to 33 and insert— ““(2) In England— (a) each constituency...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c713 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for those reassuring remarks from the noble Lord. Not only do wards provide possibilit...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c713 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, will he recognise that there will be considerable pleasure in many ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c719 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the last point from my noble friend Lord Davies of Stamford. Increasing the figure to 1...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c719 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my noble and learned friend. His amendment has achieved a very elegant solution to th...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c716-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment would insert a number of additional factors for the Boundary Commissions to ...
Lord Grocott | 724 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure whether my noble and learned friend’s amendment is the best way to encapsula...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make a brief intervention, encouraged by the very positive response from the nob...
Lord Grocott | 724 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) What, that, "““no district or borough ward shall be included in more than one constituency””?" In m...
Lord Tyler | 724 c721 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, how does the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, manage to suggest that the amendment to which he is...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 724 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I am tempted to enter this debate because the premise that the constituency is important has a sligh...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 724 c722-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I noticed that the Minister did not respond to the question that I asked him and my noble ...
Lord Grocott | 724 c727 (Link to this contribution) What on earth would happen in a constituency that, let us say, crossed county boundaries, where coun...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c725-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, every noble Lord who has so far spoken in this debate, and indeed in the debate on the pre...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c728-31 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have in the course of my contributions over recent weeks tried to bring some fairly orig...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c727-8 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is absolutely right. I was just about to make that point; the Member of Parliament i...
Lord McAvoy | 724 c731-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to give some practical examples of what my noble friends have been describing...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 724 c737 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that in the case of both the boundary reviews he spoke about, local people...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 724 c736-7 (Link to this contribution) The last thing I want to do is extend the debate but somebody needs to say that the picture of ideal...
Lord Touhig | 724 c736 (Link to this contribution) I am more likely to find someone recruiting for the band of hope in hell than to find anyone in my p...
Lord Grocott | 724 c736 (Link to this contribution) I assume that the Electoral Reform Society’s map was applied to the whole country, as we had the sam...
Lord Touhig | 724 c735-6 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend detaining your Lordships very long but I should like to refer to the impact that the...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 724 c733-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my colleagues, I think there are many problems with the Bill. The biggest problem is ...
Lord McAvoy | 724 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend, because that is the next item on my little list. Again, Labour has given in...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c732 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble friend remind me about the boundaries of the Scottish Parliamentary constituency repres...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 724 c737 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point made by the noble Baroness, and it is yet another point that has been done to...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 724 c738 (Link to this contribution) That was not what I said. I indicated specifically that the flexibility in the Bill, and the possibl...
Lord Bach | 724 c781 (Link to this contribution) 71B: Clause 11, page 9, line 34, leave out from beginning to end of line 5 on page 10
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c741 (Link to this contribution) The factual answer to that factual question is yes, of course I recall that. No one in my constituen...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c783 (Link to this contribution) Just to underline and illuminate the point that my noble friend made in passing about the south Wale...
Lord Bach | 724 c781-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to probe the thinking behind the territorial extent rule—...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c738 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for giving way. I was just looking at my notes because we had an earlier int...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c738 (Link to this contribution) In that case the noble Lord is saying what I totally believe, which is that the present system is no...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 724 c740 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does my noble friend, like me, remember successive Governments and successive political pa...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c738-40 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Newton, has heard and taken note of those remarks. I say to my n...
Lord Tyler | 724 c800 (Link to this contribution) It does not do that; it provides completely new criteria, which would presumably change over time. T...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c800 (Link to this contribution) I put it to the noble Lord that it is surely sensible, as my noble friend proposes, to develop sensi...
Lord Tyler | 724 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I was under the same misapprehension as the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, unti...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 724 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not yet spoken in this debate and indeed I hesitate to speak now, because I am conc...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 724 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to answer for the Opposition, and noble Lords will know that this is my first ventu...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 724 c801 (Link to this contribution) I took my title as being ““of Kentish Town”” but it could easily have been ““of Ystradgynlais””. How...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 724 c800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is not confined to Brecon and Radnorshire, as I accept. It removes a coloss...
Lord Desai | 724 c798 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to speak very briefly about the amendment moved by my noble friend. First, the prim...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c798 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is entirely right and, if I had dared to pronounce the words that he has just pronou...
Lord Touhig | 724 c798 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, I hope that he will let me point this out. If Brecon and Radnor we...
Lord Bach | 724 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords on all sides who have spoken in what everyone who has listened mus...
Lord McNally | 724 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) The Bill helps it in its work. This is not a time to go back to the drawing board. Most of the argum...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c795 (Link to this contribution) I understand that my noble friend’s interest in amendments diminishes considerably when their focus ...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c795 (Link to this contribution) 72: Clause 11, page 9, line 35, leave out ““13,000 square kilometres”” and insert ““that of the pres...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c795-8 (Link to this contribution) I accept my noble friend’s apologies, which have added to the gaiety at this time of night. In this...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c795 (Link to this contribution) I sincerely apologise to my noble friend. I thought that the Deputy Chairman said Amendment 72A.
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 724 c793 (Link to this contribution) On this point about the Scottish Boundary Commission and its recommendations, the Bill instructs the...
Lord McNally | 724 c793 (Link to this contribution) I shall have to write to the noble Lord. It was in the last Boundary Commission report dealing with ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c793 (Link to this contribution) Which figure was recommended by the Boundary Commission for Scotland? Was it 12,000 or 13,000? And w...
Lord McNally | 724 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am deeply flattered by the number of noble Lords who have said how excited or interested...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 724 c792 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that the Boundary Commission’s discretion to consider this would be removed by A...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 724 c792 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend develop that argument? Given that the Bill currently instructs the Boundary Com...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 724 c792 (Link to this contribution) There is one MSP directly representing the area and there are list top-ups for the wider area of the...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 724 c792 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble friend tell the House how many Members of the Scottish Parliament represent the area of...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 724 c791-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord McAvoy, will forgive me for following him, but I wanted to hear what he had to ...
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 724 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest, as my title is Balmacara, as has already been mentioned. Balmacara is at the ...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c789 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that the Minister is happy only when dealing with amendments that involve equations...
Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 724 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) Speaking as a unionist, I will not necessarily rise to the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Hamil...
Lord Sewel | 724 c785 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to intervene in an internecine conflict within the coalition, but are the Government s...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 724 c785 (Link to this contribution) I mention ““Lochaber No More”” because I suspect that that will be the consequence of this. As I sai...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c786-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to follow the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, and to pick up some of his points. In...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 724 c785-6 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord was such a great mover in the process of devolution, he is on thin ice when talkin...
Lord Skelmersdale | 724 c784 (Link to this contribution) I should tell the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to I cannot call Amendments 71C to 72A....
Lord Bach | 724 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for his intervention. My fear is not that the maps that are used wi...
Lord Bach | 724 c785 (Link to this contribution) It is I who should apologise to the Committee for having got the pronunciation wrong.
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 724 c784-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly because in the debate on the amendment on the Isle of Wight, which my ...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c812 (Link to this contribution) In an earlier exchange, the noble Lord, Lord McNally, was somewhat scornful of arguments made from t...
Lord McAvoy | 724 c811 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend makes a fascinating point about the sparseness of population in the rural constituen...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c812 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is right. I could not have put it better myself. He also reminds me that our noble f...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c810 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I have been fascinated by this description, which i...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) Actually, quite a lot of them, because we still have a very good education system in Scotland, at a ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c813 (Link to this contribution) At that time, the report says, an MP, "““might have required less than a few hours each week to resp...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c812 (Link to this contribution) Is it not unfortunately true that people who are significantly less well off than those in the afflu...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is again right. I sat through about half of the debate on housing benefit and was re...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c814 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. The more that we go through this Bill, paragraph by paragraph, the more it unrav...
Viscount Eccles | 724 c814 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not think that he is stretching the meaning of the word ““scrutiny”” rather wide...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c814 (Link to this contribution) There are no teams in ““Just a Minute””.
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) Has the noble Viscount seen the groupings list for today? Is he aware that in this group there are 1...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 724 c813 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has spoken about wealth in constituencies and has just reflected on the question of ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c814 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is absolutely right. I found it starkly revealing to sit next to colleagues in the H...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c814 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend draws attention to the large volume of casework that falls to be carried out by Memb...
Viscount Eccles | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) None of the amendments in the group refers to the reduction from 650 to 600. The recommendation in t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) Sometimes, also, actions have consequences that are unseen and unpredicted. It is only when we exami...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) Might the implication of the intervention by the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, really be that we have...
Lord McNally | 724 c803 (Link to this contribution) Every time I reply to a debate, the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, finds something on which to ask a ques...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c803 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace of Tankerness, did not worry about a flurry of intervention...
Lord McNally | 724 c803 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the first thing I would say about this debate is that it emphasises once again that not on...
Lord McNally | 724 c804 (Link to this contribution) Of course one cannot argue that someone who lives in north Kensington has more difficulty than someo...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 724 c804 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that rule 5 is subject to rule 2 and that rule 2 provides the primacy? When...
Lord McNally | 724 c803 (Link to this contribution) No, it is an argument for having fair votes in fairly drawn constituencies. One or two Members conce...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 724 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) Every Member of the House would agree that the touchstone here is the concept of equality. However, ...
Lord McNally | 724 c804 (Link to this contribution) I do not resile from that. The Bill aims to provide fair votes—votes of equal weight in fairly drawn...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c804 (Link to this contribution) I have a question for the noble Lord. The Explanatory Notes state: "““The factors are similar to the...
Lord McNally | 724 c805 (Link to this contribution) They mean exactly what they say. They are guidance to the Electoral Commission in making its judgmen...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c805 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. A large number of government supporters are in the Cha...
Lord Tyler | 724 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord accept that, if the amendment were added to the Bill, it would not even preserve...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c806 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was going to go on to refer to the noble Lord and I will do so in a minute but that is y...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c807 (Link to this contribution) 73: Clause 11, page 10, line 7, leave out from ““Commission”” to end of line 8 and insert ““should t...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c807 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am asking the Committee to agree to delete the words, "““may take into account if, and t...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) We touched on this matter before, but it seems to me important to make the point quite clearly that ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c808 (Link to this contribution) When the Bill says ““may take into account””, is it not either disingenuous or simply confused? In r...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend makes a very important point. It is a separate point but it is obviously clearly rel...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) We are debating not just the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Kennedy but, if I understand it...
Lord Rennard | 724 c817 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but I will not give way again on this point. Perhaps I may be allowed to finish the point...
Lord Rennard | 724 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the statement from the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, that he does not wish to detain the Commi...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is absolutely right. I would have preferred to have had the opportunity of being on ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend also agree that having no Green Paper, no White Paper and no draft Bill has cau...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c815 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree. I feel almost inadequate in terms of our scrutiny in the light of what my noble f...
Lord Rennard | 724 c817 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that the democratic principle is such a constraint. The criteria in the Bill given t...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c817 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord and I have a great deal of sympathy with the case that he is pu...
Lord Rennard | 724 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I am sorry. I am not going to give way because we should try to make progress. I will ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. I got the numbers wrong, but the point that I am making is very simple. It was not a cap...
Lord Soley | 724 c818 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord who has just spoken makes a fundamental mistake when he says that Parliaments in othe...
Lord Rennard | 724 c817-8 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, I want to make progress on my argument and allow us to proceed with a couple of issues...
Lord Soley | 724 c818-20 (Link to this contribution) I certainly recognise that. I also recognise that this is a bicameral House and I hope that it stays...
Lord Tyler | 724 c818 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not recognise that the House of Commons has voted?
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) The intervention of the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, in response to my noble friend Lord Kinnock, ignor...
Lord Bach | 724 c821 (Link to this contribution) It is important that we get this absolutely right at this stage. I do not want to prolong this. I wa...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c821 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; 613. I got the number wrong.
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Stamford, and very much with my noble friend L...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c742 (Link to this contribution) I listened to the noble Lord's speech, and he gave the very clear impression that that was challengi...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c742 (Link to this contribution) I just wondered whether it was in the Edinburgh South UK parliamentary constituency or the Edinburgh...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c741-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would restrict the Boundary Commission in drawing up new constituency boundaries by a ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c742 (Link to this contribution) I am not saying that. I am certain that the noble Lord, Lord Newton of Braintree, represented his co...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c836 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment proposed by my noble friend—in a way that, I am sure, if I may take the wor...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c743 (Link to this contribution) I have tried to be patient. Four out of the seven provisions in the amendment relate to wards and h...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 724 c743-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for the detail into which he went. I will very briefly d...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 724 c823 (Link to this contribution) The situation in the constituency of the Cities of London and Westminster is even worse than my nobl...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) I would like to have heard in the debate more references to the distinction between targets and caps...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c822 (Link to this contribution) In the context of an earlier debate that we had on the constituency of Brecon and Radnor, much was m...
Lord Liddle | 724 c824 (Link to this contribution) I support, particularly, the first part of the argument of my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours and...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c824 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether the noble Lord popped in at this hour or a couple of hours ago, but he will fi...
Lord Garel-Jones | 724 c824 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, finds the lack of equalisation within boroughs so offensiv...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c823-4 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has referred to an issue that I intend to raise. I do not know whether we will be go...
Lord Bach | 724 c825-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 75A, to which I shall speak shortly, is in my name and that of my noble and lear...
Lord Rennard | 724 c824 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord tell us which amendment he is speaking for or against in these remarks?
Lord Liddle | 724 c824-5 (Link to this contribution) I am in favour of the amendments that would change the wording from may to shall or must because I f...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) In deference to noble Lords who have asked for specific references to the amendments that we are sup...
Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 724 c827-9 (Link to this contribution) For the sake of the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, I say that I shall speak to Amendments 73, 74A, 74B, a...
Lord Kinnock | 724 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) It is not an area into which I want to stumble because I do not want to have a debate this evening a...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c830 (Link to this contribution) Is not the distinction between us and many of these other countries that we have a first past the po...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 724 c833 (Link to this contribution) First, I wish the noble Lord, Lord McNally, well. He has had a very tough day—we all have—and I hope...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by apologising on behalf of my noble friend Lord McNally, who, as some of your Lor...
Lord Tyler | 724 c833 (Link to this contribution) 74BA: Clause 11, page 10, line 12, at end insert— ““( ) boundaries of existing constituencies””
Lord Snape | 724 c713-6 (Link to this contribution) This has been an interesting debate. Fourteen noble Lords, including those on the Front Benches, hav...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 724 c787-8 (Link to this contribution) I will intervene briefly on this subject as it was raised in the debate on the amendment of my noble...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 724 c743 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble and learned Lord give way?
Lord Lipsey | 724 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is not only a sensible amendment but a very important one. Because the noble Lord mov...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 724 c743 (Link to this contribution) The point I was making was that it now calls itself South Edinburgh to take in the various parliamen...
Lord Tyler | 724 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recollect that some 10 hours ago the noble Baroness, Lady D’Souza, my noble friend Lord ...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, may not have expected me to rise to my feet to support his ame...
Lord Lipsey | 724 c703 (Link to this contribution) I shall follow directly on from what the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, said, and I shall be extremely br...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 724 c737 (Link to this contribution) I have the highest regard for the noble Lord, Lord Newton, and I listened, as I always do, with grea...
Lord McAvoy | 724 c791 (Link to this contribution) There has been very considerable doubt cast in this short debate upon the integrity of this part of ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 724 c812 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is right. It is the highly articulate middle-class people who have access to a range...
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