Higher Education (Basic Amount) (England) Regulations 2010. Lords debate on a motion to approve. Amendment debated and negatived on division (215 votes to 283). Original motion agreed to. Debated with motion that for the purpose of section 24 of the Higher Education Act 2004, the higher amount should be increased to £9,000, and to £4,500 in the cases described in regulation 5 of the draft regulations in Command Paper Cm 7986, and that the increase should take effect from 1 September 2012. Amendment debated and negatived on division (200 votes to 273). Original motion agreed to.
Higher Education (Basic Amount) (England) Regulations 2010
Debates on delegated legislation on Tuesday, 14 December 2010,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Henley.
The answering
member was Lord Triesman.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
723 c552-604
Session
2010-12
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Higher Education (Basic Amount) (England) Regulations 2010
Monday, 29 November 2010
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Monday, 29 November 2010
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Draft Higher Education (Higher Amount) (England) Regulations 2010.
Thursday, 2 December 2010
Command papers
House of Commons
Thursday, 2 December 2010
Command papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c585-6 (Link to this contribution)
I shall certainly give way to the noble Lord in just a moment.
I remind the Labour Party that it ha...
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Lord Campbell-Savours | 723 c556 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister confirm that there are two Motions today; one deals with the regulations, and the o...
Lord Henley | 723 c588 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps it would help if I explained that it is up to my noble friend Lord Ashdown to decide whether...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c563 (Link to this contribution)
I sense that the noble Lord is coming to the end of his speech. Indeed, he has made a powerful case ...
Lord Henley | 723 c553-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak also to the second Motion in my name, on the higher amount, to the amendments...
Lord Henley | 723 c552 (Link to this contribution)
Moved By
That the draft regulations laid before the House on 29 November be approved.
Relevant do...
Lord Triesman | 723 c557-63 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Henley, for his clarity on the Government's propositions. We ...
Lord Triesman | 723 c557 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Leave out from ““that”” to the end and insert: ““this House regrets that the Government...
Lord Henley | 723 c556-7 (Link to this contribution)
There are two Motions. The second one is not secondary legislation at all, but it is a Motion that w...
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 723 c593-4 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister recall that, on 17 January 2007, the elected House gave this House the right to vo...
Lord Henley | 723 c593 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that the institutions themselves can benefit from this, as I made clear in my opening rema...
Lord Henley | 723 c594 (Link to this contribution)
We have always accepted that this House has a right, if it feels appropriate, to vote down orders. H...
Lord Henley | 723 c592-3 (Link to this contribution)
They will have an appropriate place in the curriculum. Universities will be able to charge fees to s...
Lord May of Oxford | 723 c593 (Link to this contribution)
Has the noble Lord given thought to the fact that, although a vote against the regulations would cau...
Lord Henley | 723 c593 (Link to this contribution)
Voting against the regulations would inflict huge damage for the reasons that I have explained, give...
Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 723 c593 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is reminding us that the difficulties on the consumer side are not as great as some nob...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 723 c592 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way and I declare an interest in that I hold a chair with Liverpool ...
Lord Henley | 723 c592 (Link to this contribution)
I do not agree with that assessment because no one will be paying anything until they earn £21,000 o...
Lord Wills | 723 c592 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister concludes his remarks, I wonder whether he will address the question of humaniti...
Lord Henley | 723 c591-2 (Link to this contribution)
This is not the time or place for the noble Baroness and me to go into these matters. The noble Baro...
Lord Henley | 723 c591 (Link to this contribution)
HEPI has done its research based on its assumptions; we have done ours based on our assumptions, and...
Baroness Blackstone | 723 c591 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the Minister aware that HEPI has carried out substantial analytical work which suggests...
Lord Henley | 723 c591 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way when I have finished this point and then the noble Baroness can spring to her feet....
Lord Henley | 723 c589-91 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is wonderful to be so welcome. I noticed the declaration of interests that the noble Lo...
Lord Henley | 723 c600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have spoken to this Motion, and I think that I would weary the House if I spoke again. I...
Lord Triesman | 723 c600 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Leave out from ““that”” to the end and insert: ““this House regrets that the Government...
Lord Triesman | 723 c600-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that we on this side, too, have spoken as much as we need to on the £9,000 increas...
Lord Bilimoria | 723 c604 (Link to this contribution)
Tabled by
To move to resolve that this House accepts that an increase in tuition fees is necessa...
Lord Bilimoria | 723 c604 (Link to this contribution)
We have had an extensive debate and the Government have won the vote in both Houses. My Motion does ...
Lord Henley | 723 c599 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
That, for the purpose of section 24 of the Higher Education Act 2004, the higher amount...
Lord Triesman | 723 c595-9 (Link to this contribution)
I think that we are coming towards the end, and I promised that I will be brief, so let me finish.
...
Lord Triesman | 723 c595 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I suspect that the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, knows perfectly well that I have read it. No...
Lord Triesman | 723 c594 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief. If I made points at length before, I apologise but I thought them important. I cer...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 723 c594-5 (Link to this contribution)
I should declare an interest as chancellor of the University of Essex, of which the noble Lord is a ...
Lord Triesman | 723 c595 (Link to this contribution)
I can only say to the noble Baroness, for whom I have genuinely huge respect, that the reality in th...
Lord Triesman | 723 c595 (Link to this contribution)
I wanted to complete my point about the intervention of the noble Lord, Lord Ashdown. It is simply t...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 723 c595 (Link to this contribution)
I completely share the noble Lord’s view about families with the poorest incomes, but why is it that...
Lord Giddens | 723 c583 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord agree that it would take many years for a substantial proportion of universities...
Lord Patten of Barnes | 723 c583 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, it would take time, even for those universities which do not have as many foreign students as h...
Lord Winston | 723 c583 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord also address how Sheffield Hallam University, of which I have the privilege to b...
Lord Krebs | 723 c580-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare an interest as the principal of Jesus College, Oxford, and as somebody who has s...
Lord Patten of Barnes | 723 c581-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I disclose an interest as the Chancellor of the university of which Jesus College is a dis...
Baroness Blackstone | 723 c582 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that what the former Prime Minister Tony Blair said was that it ...
Lord Patten of Barnes | 723 c582-3 (Link to this contribution)
No, as I shall explain in a moment, they will not be doing that in the case of the university that I...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 723 c576 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Baroness not concede that part of the reason why Universities UK and other institutio...
Baroness Blackstone | 723 c576-80 (Link to this contribution)
I declare an interest as vice-chancellor of the University of Greenwich. Like my noble friend Lord G...
Baroness Shephard of Northwold | 723 c576 (Link to this contribution)
Who does the noble Baroness think is responsible for the situation that we are in? It is her party, ...
Lord Giddens | 723 c573-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak in this debate not primarily as a Labour Peer but as an educator and a former dire...
Baroness Shephard of Northwold | 723 c574-6 (Link to this contribution)
I intend to make very brief comments because a lot of noble Lords obviously wish to come in and a lo...
Bishop of Lincoln | 723 c568-71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should declare my interests: I am the Visitor of King’s College, Cambridge, and of Linco...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 723 c571-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Triesman, taunted those of us on these Benches with the fact that, in...
Lord Browne of Madingley | 723 c564-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a little over two months ago, I published a report outlining a sustainable way forward for...
Lord Bilimoria | 723 c566-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the human tendency since time immemorial is for us often to take things for granted. I do ...
Lord Triesman | 723 c563-4 (Link to this contribution)
A question has been asked and it is right to hear the whole of the answer. It was never contemplated...
Lord Triesman | 723 c563 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it was always a likelihood that there would be some increases in fees. But increases on th...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c588 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the noble Lord. I have already been speaking for 11 minutes and if I were to take his...
Baroness Hollins | 723 c588 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly about medical education. Undergraduate medical students currently rec...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 723 c588 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too—
Lord Henley | 723 c588 (Link to this contribution)
If the House would like me to intervene, I will make a few remarks. Others wanted to speak, but I am...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 723 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of these regulations. I do so after spending 10 years vali...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 723 c587 (Link to this contribution)
On the question of personal debt, did the noble Lord see the figures released earlier this month tha...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c587 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that the noble Lord is making. However, we accept that it is reasonable for p...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c587 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me. I would really like to draw my remarks to a close.
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 723 c586 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord puts forward the proposition that if a party is not elected to government, the promis...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c586 (Link to this contribution)
I will make it very clear to the noble Lord. The deal that was made was a coalition deal between two...
Baroness O'Loan | 723 c586 (Link to this contribution)
Is the noble Lord aware that government departments are being asked to take a cut of 25 per cent whi...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c586-7 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness makes exactly the point that I would have gone on to, had she given me the opport...
Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 723 c585 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it seems to me that those of us on this side of the House who will vote in favour of the G...
Lord Winston | 723 c584-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am in a rather unusual position of representing four universities. I am chancellor of Sh...
Bishop of Chichester | 723 c584 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare two non-pecuniary interests. The first is as a governor of the University of Chi...
Lord Patten of Barnes | 723 c583-4 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord may be aware that in this country about 2 per cent, perhaps rather less, of alumnae g...
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