Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
508 c1203-22 
Session
2009-10
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill. Lords amendments.
Thursday, 8 April 2010
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 8 April 2010
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Jack Straw | 508 c1206 (Link to this contribution)
No, it was not the Conservatives. If the hon. Gentleman reads the debates, he will see that Lord Tre...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Secretary of State for his approach to the issue in the wash-up.
I start by providing s...
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William Cash | 508 c1207 (Link to this contribution)
May I say how glad I and, I am sure, many of my hon. Friends are to note that the provisions relatin...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1207 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my hon. Friend. On that provision, I can probably take either the blame or the...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1208-9 (Link to this contribution)
I resent the hon. Gentleman's implication. There was no collusion. I was asked for my opinion on wha...
David Howarth | 508 c1208 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good point. I noticed that yesterday the Crime and Security Bill went through the oth...
Speaker | 508 c1209 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I say to the hon. Member for Cambridge (David Howarth) that we do not want to enlarge the...
Evan Harris | 508 c1208 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that my hon. Friend makes that point, because other legislative vehicles that have receive...
David Howarth | 508 c1207-8 (Link to this contribution)
The way in which the Bill has been handled throughout has been catastrophic. The Government delayed ...
David Howarth | 508 c1209 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is entirely right. Do we have just another political manoeuvre, whereby the Governmen...
David Howarth | 508 c1209 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I was tempted along that route by the Secretary of State's opening re...
Evan Harris | 508 c1209 (Link to this contribution)
Again, the Government could have programmed the private Member's Bill concerned as a stand-alone Bil...
Speaker | 508 c1203 (Link to this contribution)
We come to Lords amendments to the Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill, which have been receiv...
Jack Straw | 508 c1203 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 1.
Speaker | 508 c1203 (Link to this contribution)
With this, it will be convenient to discuss Lords amendments 2 to 5, 34 to 38, 58, 67 to 70, 73 and ...
Lord Beith | 508 c1203 (Link to this contribution)
It would have been better if the Secretary of State had initiated discussions with all those parties...
Jack Straw | 508 c1203 (Link to this contribution)
It might be helpful if I begin by explaining to the House the conclusion that was reached in the oth...
Jack Straw | 508 c1203-4 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is of even greater antiquity than me and he will know that there is a great...
Jack Straw | 508 c1204 (Link to this contribution)
May I bring to the House's attention an almost historic first for the hon. Gentleman, for whom I hav...
Jack Straw | 508 c1204 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way in a moment. We therefore had no alternative but to withdraw the provision, and I am...
William Cash | 508 c1204 (Link to this contribution)
On referendums on reform, does the Minister for Justice accept that, historically, the Liberal Democ...
David Howarth | 508 c1204 (Link to this contribution)
But Europe has PR.
Evan Harris | 508 c1205 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain whether "could not achieve it" means just that the Conservatives did not w...
Jack Straw | 508 c1204-5 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, Europe has PR too.
It is a matter of historical record that until late 1923 the Labour part...
Evan Harris | 508 c1206 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the Minister glossed over a bit because he went straight from Crown employment to later...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1205 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Jack Straw | 508 c1205 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield can speak for himself, but I have no information whatso...
David Howarth | 508 c1218 (Link to this contribution)
The answer is yes, and that would also apply to the reforms of this place itself. Changing the elect...
David Howarth | 508 c1218 (Link to this contribution)
This really is the last intervention.
Graham Allen | 508 c1218 (Link to this contribution)
This intervention allows me to pass on my best wishes to the hon. Gentleman and to congratulate him ...
Graham Allen | 508 c1222 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. After the Iraq war, many Members became very interested in ...
Speaker | 508 c1222 (Link to this contribution)
It is just about in order to ask me, but I haven't a clue. Nor would the Chair be expected to have a...
Jack Straw | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
That is for a longer and separate debate.
William Cash | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that suggestion. I am quite sure that it will not happen, particularly in relation...
David Howarth | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
We on the Liberal Democrat Benches are content with the amendment.
Lords amendment 6 agreed to.
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome amendment 6. I suppose that it shows what can be achieved when minds are concentrated wond...
Jack Straw | 508 c1213 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, I would like to thank all hon. Members for their observations and to sp...
Jack Straw | 508 c1213-4;508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
There are two stages to the coming into force of a treaty. One is the signature and the second is ra...
William Cash | 508 c1213 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree, or have any sympathy with, my general proposition that in fact ...
Speaker | 508 c1212 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am reluctant at heart to have to interrupt the hon. Gentleman again, but he is allowing him...
William Cash | 508 c1211-2 (Link to this contribution)
I shall gladly follow that suggestion, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I refer in particular, therefore, to the ...
Speaker | 508 c1211 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I do not want to be seen as picking on the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) unduly, because t...
William Cash | 508 c1212-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad to take note of that point, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I shall not transgress again, but I wa...
Tony Wright | 508 c1209-10 (Link to this contribution)
The wash-up process in general leaves much about which to be dissatisfied and, one day, no doubt we ...
Lord Beith | 508 c1211 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman foresee that when a distinguished Committee—chaired by someone perhaps not a...
William Cash | 508 c1210-1 (Link to this contribution)
I understand Liberal Democrat concerns about reform of the voting and electoral systems. I have alre...
Tony Wright | 508 c1210 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Gentleman anticipates my later remarks—the case for fresh thinking about what h...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1210 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested in the hon. Gentleman's comments about the wash-up process being unsatisfactory. I a...
David Howarth | 508 c1218 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that there is all sorts of interesting research on first past the post, but all this seems ...
Jack Straw | 508 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman also accept that it is simply untrue that there is as large a bias in the cu...
David Howarth | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Gentleman is right; it is a jemmy in the door, which we intend at some stage to...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but from talking to some of his colleagues I had underst...
David Howarth | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
The Conservatives support the system for the obvious reason that occasionally, and in some decades f...
William Cash | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
Did the hon. Gentleman hear the interesting piece on the "Today" programme during which John Curtice...
David Howarth | 508 c1216-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am all in favour of making the electoral system fairer. That is why I oppose the amendment, becaus...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 508 c1216 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the hon. Gentleman agrees that a system in which every vote is of equal value, because there ...
Lord Wills | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that. Does the hon. Gentleman agree, however, that when we talk about fairness it ...
David Howarth | 508 c1216 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good metaphor. In fact, that proposal combined with the other Conservative proposal t...
Evan Harris | 508 c1216 (Link to this contribution)
Was my hon. Friend struck, as I was, by the assertion by the hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfiel...
David Howarth | 508 c1216 (Link to this contribution)
The timing of this discussion is quite extraordinary. The day after the Prime Minister announced a p...
Dominic Grieve | 508 c1215-6 (Link to this contribution)
As I indicated earlier, I must claim some responsibility for the fact that the clause has been remov...
Jack Straw | 508 c1215 (Link to this contribution)
My reflection is as follows, since I was the Minister responsible for sponsoring the Jenkins review ...
Evan Harris | 508 c1215 (Link to this contribution)
There is a feeling of déjà vu. Labour's earlier commitment to electoral reform—in the 1997 manifesto...
Jack Straw | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments relate to the removal from the Bill of the provisions in part 3 for a referendum on...
Speaker | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
With this, it will be convenient to consider Lords amendments 8 to 15, 50 to 52, 55, 57, 74 and 75.
Jack Straw | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 7.
Jack Straw | 508 c1214 (Link to this contribution)
If I may just complete this point; that is always subject to ratification. I felt, as Foreign Secret...
Jack Straw | 508 c1213 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That this House agrees with Lords amendment 6.
The amendment relates to the treaty p...
David Howarth | 508 c1217 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the Minister. The idea that fiddling with boundaries based on out-of-date information c...
Jack Straw | 508 c1205-6 (Link to this contribution)
And he confirms that.
The other place is very different. It might be attached to this building, but...
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