Parliamentary search - Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

718 c958-1056

Session

2009-10

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Ministry of Justice

Legislative stage

Second reading

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Queen's consent

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House of Lords chamber

Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 3 March 2010
Bills
House of Lords

Deposited Paper DEP2010-0968
Wednesday, 24 March 2010
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House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Lord Bach | 718 c959-61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, much of the Bill crosses familiar territory for your Lordships. It was preceded by the Gov...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 718 c958 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint the House that Her Majesty, ha...

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Lord Bach | 718 c958 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Bach | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) Undoubtedly, the noble Lord and others feel strongly about this matter. We are now 10 years down the...

Lord Denham | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord leaves Part 5, I believed that the whole package offered by the Government to ...

Lord Bach | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) Most Members of Parliament, even on the noble Lord’s side, would agree that we break with great diff...

Lord Bach | 718 c1048-50 (Link to this contribution) I am not in a position tonight to give details of the Government’s proposals. Much as my noble frien...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 718 c1048 (Link to this contribution) What is the earliest date that the new elected Members could possibly join this House?

Lord Bach | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) I think that it is the issue of additional Members that caused the Government some problem with that...

Lord Norton of Louth | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not quite understand the argument. The Minister seems to be saying that there should ...

Lord Bach | 718 c1050 (Link to this contribution) I would like to agree with the right reverend Prelate, but for me, at least, and, I should have thou...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 718 c1050 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not recognise that the proposal of the Jenkins commission accepted the argument fo...

Lord Bach | 718 c1054 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord should know that a draft Bill is not always the Bill that is finally produced. The wo...

Lord Denham | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) The whole point is that this was a promise given by the Government that caused me to vote for gettin...

Lord Bach | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) The answer that the noble Lord, Lord Steel, gave to this question a bit earlier—

Lord Denham | 718 c1051 (Link to this contribution) I am not interested in what the noble Lord, Lord Steel, said. I would like an answer from the Govern...

Lord Bach | 718 c1052 (Link to this contribution) You are about to get one if you will be patient. The answer is the same as that given by the noble L...

Earl of Onslow | 718 c1052 (Link to this contribution) Constitutional anomalies such as me, one of the few elected Peers in this House, are here to remind ...

Lord Bach | 718 c1052-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl has reminded me yet again tonight why he is here—I will not use his phrase. That is w...

Lord Norton of Louth | 718 c1053 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not addressed the point about why it took a year for the Government to respond to t...

Lord Bach | 718 c1053 (Link to this contribution) Let me be frank with the noble Lord. He has more knowledge of government than I will ever have, and ...

Lord Bach | 718 c1054 (Link to this contribution) I think I have got the noble Lord’s point. I am coming up to 30 minutes. The House has been very pat...

Lord Norton of Louth | 718 c1054 (Link to this contribution) It took a year and, as a result, this House is being denied the opportunity to subject the Bill to p...

Lord Bach | 718 c965 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have said that the procedure is the same as for all Bills. In other words, all Members, ...

Lord Elton | 718 c965 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the noble Lord remind me, and probably others, whether it is possible in wash-up to in...

Lord Bach | 718 c962-4 (Link to this contribution) I would argue that we have kept up the momentum. It is essential that this House is able to deal wi...

Lord Bach | 718 c961-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not have the answer. I suspect that I know what the answer to the noble Lord’s question is and ...

Lord Naseby | 718 c961 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that the trustees of the parliamentary pension fund must continue to have ...

Lord Bach | 718 c964 (Link to this contribution) I think that the answer is none, but some other Bills that have gone through wash-up are extremely i...

Baroness Boothroyd | 718 c964 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, how many constitutional Bills have gone through the House in wash-up in the past 10 years?...

Lord Bach | 718 c964 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot comment on whether wash-up will begin soon or not. It is an entirely theoretical ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 718 c964 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way, as he is clearly reaching his conclusion. Could h...

Lord Henley | 718 c965-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has introduced this Bill with a straight face and has answered all the questi...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 718 c988-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank my noble friend for responding to my earlier question about the precedents ...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 718 c983 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to the Motion that the Bill be now read a second time, at end to insert "but this Ho...

Lord Howe of Aberavon | 718 c979-83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I endorse immediately the closing sentence of the noble Lord, Lord Howarth. The question o...

Lord Jay of Ewelme | 718 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are many aspects of the Bill on which I am tempted to comment but, like the noble Lo...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 718 c983-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in order to keep my own speech within a tolerable length, I propose to talk only about Par...

Baroness D'Souza | 718 c971-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Bill has several excellent provisions. It seems somewhat parochial to go back to Hous...

Lord McNally | 718 c968-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our debate takes place against the background of one of the most devastating reports I hav...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 718 c976-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this grandly entitled Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill might perhaps better have ...

Bishop of Durham | 718 c973-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the moment this debate is, I think, about sending signals, not fine-tuning an actual la...

Lord Denham | 718 c990-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am going to limit what I say to Part 5 of the Bill, "The House of Lords", and, of that, ...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 718 c991 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord misunderstood the point I was making. The quotation he gives is quite co...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 718 c1001 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the guidance of the House, the average length of Back-Bench speeches has been ten and ...

Viscount Astor | 718 c999-1001 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to bring this major, 133-page Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill before this House ...

Lord Grenfell | 718 c999 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree 100 per cent with the noble Lord: it is because we have this expertise here that w...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 718 c999 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to speak but, as the noble Lord was kind enough to refer to me, I wonder whether ...

Lord Grenfell | 718 c996-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest in that Clauses 59 and 60 of the Bill affect me personally. That is ...

Lord Pannick | 718 c995-6 (Link to this contribution) In 1993, the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, wrote an excellent book, Making Aristocracy Work. It was about...

Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 718 c992-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Prime Minister recently indicated that he was personally in favour of a written consti...

Lord Denham | 718 c991-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the negotiations went on throughout the course of the Bill. I was around at the time. I am...

Lord Goodhart | 718 c1001-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall do my best to stick to the eight-minute limit. I shall talk about a couple of matt...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unfortunately for myself, I have forfeited the right to speak in this debate due to the fa...

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 718 c1003-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Bill is an example of a trend which has become rather prevalent in the handling of le...

Lord Rennard | 718 c1006-8 (Link to this contribution) I did not expect to reach my contribution quite so soon. Part 3 of the Bill is different from any o...

Baroness Boothroyd | 718 c1008-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have been in debate on this issue for some hours and it would be very nice if I could g...

Earl of Onslow | 718 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Graham, on making a speech on a subject that is n...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 718 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many noble Lords have pointed out with great clarity, rigorous analysis and some vehemence...

Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 718 c1013-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope to get the support of your Lordships’ House by undershooting my time by at least a ...

Lord Cobbold | 718 c1015 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will confine my remarks to Part 5 and begin by stating my strong support for the amendme...

Lord Henley | 718 c1020 (Link to this contribution) Even under the wash-up process, I understand that there will still be a Committee stage, so it will ...

Lord Borrie | 718 c1018-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much agree with the points that have by now been made again and again from all side...

Lord Wright of Richmond | 718 c1017-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have three brief points to make on this Bill. The fact that the first two are words of w...

Lord Berkeley | 718 c1016-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak about a slightly different subject from those raised so far by noble Lords i...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 718 c1022-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Williamson of Horton, for those kind words. All I can ...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 718 c1025-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to welcome back the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury, and to co...

Lord Borrie | 718 c1020 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be corrected by the noble Lord. If he is right it will be of tremendous interest to...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 718 c1020-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we receive a Bill containing a part specifically entitled, "The House of Lords", we m...

Lord Denham | 718 c1027 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would the noble Baroness really be prepared to see the agreement broken between the Govern...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 718 c1027 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, I do not follow the noble Lord.

Lord Wilson of Dinton | 718 c1027-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Steel, leaves the Chamber, I should say that I sympathise with...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 718 c1027 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord invites me to enter yet again the argument about what constitutes phase two...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 718 c1032-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the great pleasures for me this evening has been the return of my noble friend Lord...

Lord Norton of Louth | 718 c1030-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Williamson of Horton, I served on the Joint Committee on the dra...

Lord Denham | 718 c1027 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said that she would like to see the elections for hereditary Peers end. She was i...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c1039 (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend concede that on the supplementary vote that would not happen, which is why it ...

Earl of Sandwich | 718 c1034-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I return to Part 5. It is already 100 years since noble Lords embarked on the first substa...

Lord Turnbull | 718 c1036-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Bill falls way below its advance billing with which we were provided in July 2007. It...

Lord Rooker | 718 c1038-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been here for the greater part of the debate; I intended no discourtesy whatsoever ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c1045 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness a very simple question. Would a Conservative Government give pr...

Baroness Hanham | 718 c1044-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is quite clear from the many speeches that we have heard from around the House that the...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 718 c1043 (Link to this contribution) That objection did not seem to trouble the noble Lord’s party very much a couple of evenings ago on ...

Lord Tyler | 718 c1040-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as usual, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord, Lord Rooker. I think that he has made i...

Lord Rooker | 718 c1039-40 (Link to this contribution) I did not want to get into this. The supplementary vote is more unfair than the alternative vote, as...

Earl of Onslow | 718 c1048 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not understand this vital point: constitutions are not changed by wash-up; they ar...

Lord Bach | 718 c1048 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl makes his point, which has perhaps been made ad nauseam today. It is a good point, wh...

Baroness Hanham | 718 c1045-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the Conservative Government come in, they will be faced with a great many problems an...

Lord Bach | 718 c1047-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, and quite genuinely, believe it or not, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in ...

Bishop of Durham | 718 c1050 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord, Lord Bach, not agree that, in the light of what has been said—not least by the...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 718 c1054-6 (Link to this contribution) I have a couple of minutes to reply on my amendment. The whole House should be indebted to the Minis...

Lord Hart of Chilton | 718 c1035-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am well able to spot mental fatigue when I see it and so I shall be extremely short and ...

Lord Graham of Edmonton | 718 c1009-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is my pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Boothroyd. We first shared a platform...

Lord Tyler | 718 c1043-4 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come to that point but, since the noble Lord overstayed his welcome by so many minute...

Lord Norton of Louth | 718 c1054 (Link to this contribution) There was a draft Bill so the Government already knew what was in the Bill. Why did it take a year?

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