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Child Poverty Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 27 January 2010, in the House of Lords.
Child Poverty Bill. Lords committee stage fourth day. Clause 8 under consideration. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
716 c335-88GC 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Related items
Child Poverty Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 21 also published. (Lords Minutes).
Thursday, 10 December 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Freud | 716 c335-6GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am pleased to answer that. The skills of parents are general skills; as I read it, they refer...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c337GC (Link to this contribution) 32: Clause 8, page 4, line 22, at end insert "and family and friends carers who take on the care of ...

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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c349GC (Link to this contribution) What about the godparents though? That is why I told the godparents story and asked the Minister. Th...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c352GC (Link to this contribution) A lot of points have been raised on this issue and I understand the power behind them, particularly ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c369GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend, as ever, is challenging. I will certainly reflect on that and come back o...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 716 c365GC (Link to this contribution) I understand the need for urgency and I am in favour of the policy, but I cavil at the fact that the...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c361-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with the leave of the Grand Committee, and at the request of the noble Earl, Lord Listowel...
Lord Freud | 716 c386-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. I just want to make clear what I am worrying about here. I am c...
Lord Freud | 716 c382GC (Link to this contribution) There may have been specific measures, but the Green Paper, Support for All, admits in the first sen...
Viscount Ullswater | 716 c335GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as ...
Lord Freud | 716 c335GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my amendment would ensure that, in the focus on further education and the training of pare...
Lord Freud | 716 c337GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for coming to my aid, somewhat to my surprise, in interpreting subsec...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c347-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Massey for these amendments and pay tribute to her for the en...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c352GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I think that is right. I have just been helped by the Box. The reference was not to private fos...
Lord Freud | 716 c353GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way. This is an important and central point. We are talking about ...
Baroness Meacher | 716 c373-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. My noble friend Lord Northbourne has made his case powerfully an...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c367GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed, I was going to come on to the noble Baroness’s points. However, I gather that my noble frien...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 716 c363-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by declaring an interest. It is unusual when I am wearing my Work and Pensions hat...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c364-5GC (Link to this contribution) If the Committee is happy for me to do so, I propose to speak to the government amendments, give my ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c364GC (Link to this contribution) Is my noble friend the Minister proposing to speak twice, first on his amendments—Amendment 80 and s...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 716 c361GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee will adjourn for 15 minutes and we will recommence at 5.43 pm. Sitting suspended. Am...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c360GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want the noble Lord to finish without making it clear on the record that I hope nothing I s...
Lord Freud | 716 c360GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. I should assure him that this amendment is not trying to get...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c357-8GC (Link to this contribution) Would my noble friend permit me to speak in relation to the guidance? Technically I am advised it wo...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c353-4GC (Link to this contribution) Those points are very well made. My response is that the framework of the Bill and the requirements ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c354-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend responds, I hope he will permit me to speak. I am sure we all very ...
Lord Freud | 716 c354GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response, but I must point out that if I were still sitting in an inve...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c355-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the latter point, I cannot give an answer off the top of my head. However, I will ask t...
Lord Freud | 716 c357GC (Link to this contribution) I can only say that I am honoured.
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c356-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure where to begin. I thank all noble Lords for their speeches in what has been ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c384GC (Link to this contribution) I am always happy to meet the noble Lord, but I must stress that this is not only about doing things...
Lord Freud | 716 c384GC (Link to this contribution) 36: Clause 8, page 4, line 25, at end insert— "( ) In preparing a UK strategy, the Secretary of Stat...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c383GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right on that point, but one of the other key building blocks in paragraph (c) is,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c387GC (Link to this contribution) I understand the point being made by the noble Lord, but I would say that seeking to address what mi...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c379GC (Link to this contribution) Is this the noble Lord’s observation on my observations, or is it another contribution to the amendm...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c379-82GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is quite right. My comments were focused on proposals for a tax allowance related to ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c382-3GC (Link to this contribution) To suggest that nothing has happened since the last Green Paper simply is not right. In the past 12 ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c374GC (Link to this contribution) Certainly many of the arguments we are making turn on how poverty causes poor nutrition because the ...
Lord Freud | 716 c375-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that in practice it works both ways because a child whose nutrition is poor is likely to h...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c336GC (Link to this contribution) I spend a lot of time suggesting that words can mean something different; I did so several times in ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c338-40GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of these amendments is to highlight a pocket of child poverty that is often hi...
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c344GC (Link to this contribution) Before other noble Lords intervene, I would like to pick up on a point that the noble Baroness made....
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c340-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was with pleasure that I added my name to these amendments introduced by the noble Baro...
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c352GC (Link to this contribution) Am I not right in thinking that private fostering arrangements have to be registered with the local ...
Lord Freud | 716 c374GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I comment on the amendment, I want to preface my remarks with two other points. Fir...
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c373GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suspect that the Minister will tell the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, that his amendment...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c371-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one of the deepest forms of poverty that a person can experience is isolation and not bein...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c361GC (Link to this contribution) 33A: Clause 8, page 4, line 23, after "health" insert "and nutrition"
Baroness Crawley | 716 c361GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn during pleasure for 15 minutes.
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c358GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I could support this amendment. It is very important that one recognises that ment...
Lord Freud | 716 c358GC (Link to this contribution) 33: Clause 8, page 4, line 23, at beginning insert "physical or mental"
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c357GC (Link to this contribution) We have all worked so closely with the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, on this that I assumed that she ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c355GC (Link to this contribution) To save the Minister getting up and down, I wonder whether I might add my two cents’ worth. I wanted...
Lord Freud | 716 c388GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response, which of course disappoints me. As I said in the last discus...
Baroness Crawley | 716 c388GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Monday 8 February at 3....
Lord Northbourne | 716 c384GC (Link to this contribution) That is where we differ. I shall see what I think as we proceed. The Minister made an interesting an...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c386GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly to this amendment, which requires that in preparing the UK strategy,...
Lord Freud | 716 c379GC (Link to this contribution) I am defending the point about the importance of marriage that the Minister attacked. I am willing t...
Baroness Meacher | 716 c383GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a brief intervention to say that the point that we are trying to make is that an ...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c383GC (Link to this contribution) I should point out to the noble Lord that the references in that paragraph relate only to parents as...
Lord Freud | 716 c376GC (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that. This is a material couple penalty. It has been found that if you move apart or...
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c335GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether the noble Lord can explain the difference between "parenting skills" and ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c336-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for his amendment, which suggests that parenting skill...
Lord Freud | 716 c335GC (Link to this contribution) 31: Clause 8, page 4, line 21, at end insert ", including parenting skills"
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c344GC (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. Clearly some women who are on the game are admirable mothers. The trouble, as we...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c341-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, was delighted to add my name to this amendment. I congratulate my noble friend Lad...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 716 c346-7GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate the noble Baroness on the amendment. I am reminded of my days as a young counci...
Lord Freud | 716 c346GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy for these amendments and I congratulate the previous speak...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c345-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baronesses, Lady Massey, Lady Hollis and Lady Walmsley, on the po...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 716 c344-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments and strongly support the speeches of the previous speakers. It ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c349-52GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that point; perhaps I can come back to it in a moment. I was going to go on to say tha...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c352GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Hollis asked specifically about academies and whether they have a three-year pa...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c353GC (Link to this contribution) Let me say first that nobody is seeking to dodge this issue. The point I have been trying to make is...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c371GC (Link to this contribution) 35: Clause 8, page 4, line 25, at end insert— "( ) the promotion of increased engagement of parents ...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c371GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank both the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, for their s...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c369-70GC (Link to this contribution) That was only part of the Government’s response and I think that my noble friend is entitled to a mo...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c367-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I congratulate my noble friend on government Amendment 80 on primary school childre...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c365-7GC (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that the noble Lord makes. Perhaps I may come on to the position in Scotland ...
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c358GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I simply observe that when we become a society that does not feel it necessary to spec...
Lord Freud | 716 c358GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 33 is short and simple, it is not quick and dirty. I tabled it to emphasise that...
Lord Freud | 716 c360-1GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that intervention. I absolutely do not want to say that he was saying that ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c358-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for his amendment. I am going to sound a bit like a br...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c358GC (Link to this contribution) Maybe we could all follow that up in some way. Amendment 32 withdrawn. Amendment 33 Moved by
Baroness Walmsley | 716 c353GC (Link to this contribution) I am so sorry to interrupt the Minister again, but we know that a lot of these good things can alrea...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c388GC (Link to this contribution) I simply disagree with that position. I do not see how you could possibly, in drawing up a strategy,...
Lord Freud | 716 c385-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to prevent the targets creating perverse effects through ...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c383-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am terribly sorry to disappoint the Minister but, if I may say not unkindly, his reply s...
Lord Freud | 716 c387GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way again. That is not an appropriate response. I do not mean that...
Lord Northbourne | 716 c379GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment is not about marriage. If noble Lords want to talk about marriage, I have another amen...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c383GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may pick up specifically on that. There is some suggestion that no reference is made to pa...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c376GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not agree that his remarks are completely at odds with his previous amendment on...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 716 c376GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, on his amendment and the sub-headings wit...
Lord Freud | 716 c376-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the point that the noble Lord is making. I want to make absolutely clear what I am...
Lord Martin of Springburn | 716 c377-9GC (Link to this contribution) We are at one. It has got to be a happy relationship within the home to be of benefit to the childre...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c379GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, for his amendments, my response to which has bee...
Lord Freud | 716 c379GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister will expect me to make an observation on that, and I thank him for giving way. Clearly,...
Subjects
Children
Disadvantaged
Carers
Costs
Finance
Families
Foster care
Education
Grandparents
Free school meals
Local government
Low incomes
Parents
Poverty
Nutrition
Primary education
Mental health
Social security benefits
Welfare tax credits
Secondary education
Legislation
Child Poverty Bill 2008-09 to 2009-10
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