Parliamentary search - Child Poverty Bill

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2009-10

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House of Lords Grand Committee

Child Poverty Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 10-EN also published.
Thursday, 19 November 2009
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Lord Freud | 716 c135GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the points raised by the noble Baroness. She is quite...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c132GC (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert ", and ( ) the relative low income after housing costs t...

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Lord Freud | 716 c146GC (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert ", and ( ) the persistent material deprivation target in...

Lord Freud | 716 c154GC (Link to this contribution) 4: Clause 2, page 1, line 13, leave out "10%" and insert "9.85%"

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c158GC (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord expand on what he sees as the major issues around the quality of the data?

Lord Freud | 716 c119GC (Link to this contribution) 1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— "2010 child poverty target (1) The Secretary of...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c126GC (Link to this contribution) Issues around the definition of poverty, hardship and material deprivation are interesting points an...

Lord Northbourne | 716 c125GC (Link to this contribution) Earlier in the discourse we heard about data being produced on child poverty. Are those simply house...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c160-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 5 would change the threshold of median income used to determine whether a househ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c167GC (Link to this contribution) Although most of us sympathise with the concerns that the noble Lord has expressed, I—and, I suspect...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c168GC (Link to this contribution) I disagree with the noble Lord. I think the Bill is about a strategy to reduce child poverty, and th...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 716 c167GC (Link to this contribution) Disability.

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c131GC (Link to this contribution) It is important that we get some clarity on this issue. Whatever else appears in the Bill, if the fo...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c129-30GC (Link to this contribution) Looking at how we go forward is, in part, based on understanding where we have got to now and where ...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 716 c129GC (Link to this contribution) It is going forward.

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c127GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for prompting me and I give my apologies to the noble Baroness for n...

Lord Northbourne | 716 c133-4GC (Link to this contribution) Has the noble Baroness considered that housing costs and transport costs are, to a considerable exte...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c139-42GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas of Winchester, for her amendment, which has given ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c142-3GC (Link to this contribution) It was an extensive consultation. Somewhere in my pile I have a copy of the government response to i...

Earl of Listowel | 716 c148-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister can help me to understand this better. I, too, am grateful to the noble Lord, L...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c145GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to write to the noble Earl with much more detail than I can bring to mind on my...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c149-51GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for his amendment, which deals with an interesting and...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c153GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to have a discussion between now and when we next get to Committee, perhaps with official...

Lord Freud | 716 c153GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for making that point. I shall come back to it, though. There are enough discre...

Lord Freud | 716 c151-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, and the noble Ea...

Lord Freud | 716 c154-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not table this amendment just to amuse you. It replaces the target figure of 10 per ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c155GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, could I ask the noble Lord, Lord Freud, whether this is the amendment under which he wants...

Lord Freud | 716 c158GC (Link to this contribution) 5: Clause 2, page 1, line 18, leave out "60%" and insert "60.15%"

Earl of Listowel | 716 c155-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that the noble Lord, Lord Freud, is asking what will keep us heading for the targe...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c156-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for giving me the opportunity to explain government po...

Earl of Listowel | 716 c121-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I seek reassurance from the Minister on a point that the noble Lord, Lord Freud, raised wi...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c122-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a good way to start our deliberations. The aim of the Bill is to drive the long-te...

Lord Northbourne | 716 c126GC (Link to this contribution) My question is whether the data that will be published in three years’ time will include information...

Lord Freud | 716 c162GC (Link to this contribution) 8: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause— "Non-financial targets The Secretary of State wi...

Lord Freud | 716 c172-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am aware that I have literally two minutes in which to respond. I thank the Minister for his respo...

Lord Freud | 716 c130-1GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, we are trying to amend the Bill by the addition of some targets. Measurement is clearly importa...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 716 c134GC (Link to this contribution) I have three points to make in support of my noble friend’s important amendment. First, the last rep...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c143-4GC (Link to this contribution) If the financial criteria question is about the percentage of children and the percentage of mean ho...

Lord Freud | 716 c144GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. It is possible to view the amendment as rather cynical, just re...

Earl of Listowel | 716 c138GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am prompted by what all speakers have said to support the amendment and I ask that it be...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 716 c136-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the Committee will forgive me, as this is the first time that I have spoken in...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c142GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord leaves that point, will he say whom the Government consulted?

Earl of Listowel | 716 c145GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for detaining the Committee and the Minister further. Looking back at the answ...

Baroness Crawley | 716 c146GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to break during pleasure for 15 minutes....

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 716 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I commend the noble Lord, Lord Freud, for bringing this amendment forward. Persistent mate...

Lord Freud | 716 c153GC (Link to this contribution) I very much appreciate the Minister’s offer. If we sat down with officials and the data for a hard l...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c153GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment does not particularly say or do anything about a personalised or a non-personalised ap...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c152-3GC (Link to this contribution) On a point of clarity, the Government would agree with much of what the noble Lord has just said. Th...

Lord Freud | 716 c155GC (Link to this contribution) I have several amendments on the figures, but this is about the threshold. Another amendment looks a...

Lord Freud | 716 c119-21GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment gives us the opportunity to investigate thoroughly the issues surrounding th...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c121GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief. We support this amendment to mandate the Secretary of State to make a re...

Baroness Afshar | 716 c122GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may add that, particularly in areas with dense immigration and population, the l...

Earl of Listowel | 716 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply to my specific questions. I look forward to ou...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c126GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the data specifically referred to in the Bill will be the income-related targets plus mate...

Lord Freud | 716 c159GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is pretty obviously another probing amendment. It raises the issue of why the Bill fi...

Lord Freud | 716 c161GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that answer. I confess that it leaves me disturbed relative to my groupthin...

Lord Freud | 716 c162GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that clarification. I will make absolutely clear that we on our Benches acc...

Lord Freud | 716 c167-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for giving way, but I point out to her that the Bill is very much not say...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 716 c167GC (Link to this contribution) Let alone disability, which we will address in subsequent amendments; my noble friend is absolutely ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c169-70GC (Link to this contribution) We understand exactly why the Official Opposition have tabled the amendment. It was a theme running ...

Lord Freud | 716 c130GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving me the opportunity to respond on the point about today’s Financial T...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c130GC (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying that, should the Bill achieve Royal Assent broadly on its current basis wit...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c129GC (Link to this contribution) If I may say so, it is the noble Lord who has missed the point. Nobody is saying that we should not ...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 716 c127-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may respond to the Minister’s speech, because he misses the point. Although I would not ha...

Baroness Afshar | 716 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to add some more choices that are unavoidable. For many minority households, ...

Lord Eames | 716 c136GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the risk of prolonging a discussion that at times does not seem to have exact relevance...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c132-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 2, I shall speak also to all the other amendments in the group, as the...

Lord Freud | 716 c131-2GC (Link to this contribution) I will not shelter behind hypotheticals. I will not just say "if" and "if" and "if", which the Minis...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c144-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is perfectly feasible to advance an amendment that has a different figure from 10 per c...

Lord Freud | 716 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. My question concerns his assumption, when he compared costs bef...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 716 c145-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. The noble and right ...

Lord Freud | 716 c146-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I referred to this general area when the Minister asked me whether our view on financial t...

Lord Northbourne | 716 c153GC (Link to this contribution) Surely the Minister would agree that, if you have four things that are obligatory and something else...

Lord Freud | 716 c158GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for taking the opportunity of the probing amendment to answer so fully. His mai...

Lord Freud | 716 c158GC (Link to this contribution) One of the big problems when you do a survey is that the responses to it are apparently fairly confu...

Lord Eames | 716 c122GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may raise a further, possibly technical question in the discussion on the amendm...

Baroness Crawley | 716 c174GC (Link to this contribution) I suggest that this is a convenient moment to adjourn the Committee until 2 pm on Thursday 21 Januar...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c161GC (Link to this contribution) I want to ensure that it is clearly on the record that we do not accept that the 60 per cent measure...

Lord Freud | 716 c162-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is probably the central, most important amendment that we wish to make to the Bill. T...

Baroness Walmsley | 716 c166-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am moved to comment on the amendment. I quite accept that we should have a non-financial target—th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 716 c170-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendment. We are against the clock here, because we have t...

Lord Northbourne | 716 c168-9GC (Link to this contribution) As so often happens, the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, has put her finger on the main aspect of this ...

Subjects

Children

Devolved matters

Disadvantaged

Costs

Housing

Families

Free school meals

Low incomes

Northern Ireland

Parents

Poverty

Lone parents

Scotland

Statistics

Welfare tax credits

Wales

Social rented housing

Unemployment

Child Poverty Commission

Legislation

Child Poverty Bill 2008-09 to 2009-10

Contains statistics

Yes

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