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Coroners and Justice Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 21 July 2009, in the House of Lords.
Coroners and Justice Bill. Lords Committee stage ninth day. Concluded. Clauses 127 to 166 agreed to, with clauses 127, 131, 147, 156, 159 and 164 agreed to as amended. Schedules 15 to 21 agreed to, with schedules 18 to 21 agreed to as amended. New clauses (Amendments 205 and 205A) debated and withdrawn. Title agreed as amended. Bill reported as amended. (HL 69 2008-09).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
712 c1526-80 
Session
2008-09
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Coroners and Justice Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33-EN also published.
Wednesday, 25 March 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Coroners and Justice Bill. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 21 July 2009
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2009-2526
Wednesday, 14 October 2009
Deposited papers
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 712 c1558 (Link to this contribution) While my noble friend is listing those who spoke, would he recognise that there is undoubtedly consi...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1549 (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading, I reserved the position of these Benches in order to see whether the clauses were...

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Baroness Young of Hornsey | 712 c1548 (Link to this contribution) I speak in opposition to these clauses. I am very grateful to noble Lords who have spoken and have c...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1551-2 (Link to this contribution) I want to work through one or two of the comments made by Members of the Committee and then offer an...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 712 c1549-51 (Link to this contribution) We are all very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, for initiating this important debate. First...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1553 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has just said "will be prescribed by law in legislation". Clause 145 sets out a number ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1553-4 (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords will know, the JCHR produced a recommendation on criminal memoirs. It goes to the iss...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1552 (Link to this contribution) On behalf of the Government, does the Minister accept that imposing financial burdens of any kind on...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1552-3 (Link to this contribution) What I shall say in a moment will express the Government’s position on that point. I had allowed for...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1553 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister leaves the subject of the consultation, does he agree that the Publishers Associ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1553 (Link to this contribution) Of course I accept that the Publishers Association made strong representation, and I in no way sugge...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1538-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I therefore turn to the two other amendments in this group. Amendments 191DB and 191D...
Lord Bach | 712 c1538 (Link to this contribution) To assist the noble Lord, without making any promise to agree with him at a later stage, I am prepar...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1537-8 (Link to this contribution) Again, the amendment has been put forward by Liberty, to which I am grateful for assistance. It woul...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 712 c1547-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad to follow the noble Lord, Lord Rees-Mogg, for what he said must have done much to all...
Baroness Stern | 712 c1545-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Borrie and Lord Lester. I am also grateful to the noble Lord,...
Lord Rees-Mogg | 712 c1547 (Link to this contribution) I should like to take up the very kind invitation of the noble Lord, Lord Lester, to join in this de...
Lord Borrie | 712 c1541-3 (Link to this contribution) I and all those who have appended their names to this proposition wish to oppose not only this claus...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1543-5 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to add my name to that of the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, in opposing Clause 138. I will...
Lord Bach | 712 c1539-40 (Link to this contribution) The Government are committed to the principle that those who are convicted and can genuinely afford ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1540-1 (Link to this contribution) I shall watch the contribution orders as an interested observer. They have been tried previously in ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1559 (Link to this contribution) I can move this government amendment speedily. It is a technical amendment to Clause 147. It has alr...
Lord Bach | 712 c1559 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 193A 193A: Clause 147, page 95, line 44, after "23" insert ", 23A"
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1559-60 (Link to this contribution) With these amendments we move to the part of the Bill dealing with data protection. The Bill has com...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1559 (Link to this contribution) Clause 156: Assessment notices Amendment 194 194: Clause 156, page 102, line 20, leave out "within...
Lord Dubs | 712 c1561-2 (Link to this contribution) I will speak to Amendments 198 and 201. Amendment 198 would insert the words, "not an excluded body"...
Lord Henley | 712 c1560-1 (Link to this contribution) We, too, have an amendment in this group, albeit an amendment to government Amendment 199C. I imagin...
Lord Bach | 712 c1562-6 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments deals with the new assessment notices provided for in Clause 156, and I tha...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Let me deal with that last point first. That is very disappointing news because when I went to the l...
Lord Bach | 712 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I realise that the answer I have given the noble Baroness is short and may not be full enough. If sh...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I should be most grateful for that. On the substance of my other amendments and the government amend...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c1554-5 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister is coming to his summing up, perhaps I could make one last attempt to explain. If he...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1555-6 (Link to this contribution) If I range through the issues once more, I may cover the points that noble Lords wish to raise. Par...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1555 (Link to this contribution) I note what the noble Lord says. From my amateur position, I obviously have a higher view of the abi...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 712 c1557 (Link to this contribution) I think it would be of great assistance to the Committee if the Minister could indicate whether, in ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1556 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but I am sure it would help the Committee if he could wri...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1556-7 (Link to this contribution) I will be delighted to do that. As one of the victims’ charities pointed out in response to our con...
Lord Borrie | 712 c1557-8 (Link to this contribution) This has been an excellent debate, albeit a bit one-sided. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, gave...
Lord Bach | 712 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I can say yes to the noble Lord. Any British judge, as I understand it, will not, unless the prosecu...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I accept that that is the case, but that is a useful clarification. If the Minister is not prepared ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1534-5 (Link to this contribution) Clause 131 requires the Lord Chancellor to make regulations concerning the retention and return of k...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1534 (Link to this contribution) Clause 131: Retention of knives surrendered or seized (Northern Ireland) Amendment 191AB 191AB: Cl...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1535 (Link to this contribution) Clause 133: Community Legal Service: pilot schemes Amendment 191AD 191AD: Clause 133, page 82, lin...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1535 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 191AC 191AC: Clause 131, page 81, line 26, at end insert— "( ) In section 21(3) of the Ju...
Lord Bach | 712 c1536-7 (Link to this contribution) Pilots can provide important evidence about the effectiveness and cost of new arrangements for legal...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1535-6 (Link to this contribution) Your Lordships will know of the very considerable disquiet shown over the fact that the Government r...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1537 (Link to this contribution) Clause 136: Criminal Defence Service: enforcement of order to pay cost of representation Amendment ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1537 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his very full explanation, and am pleased to hear him assure the House that...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1526 (Link to this contribution) Government Amendment 191AA responds to a recommendation of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Refor...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1526 (Link to this contribution) Clause 127: Implementation of E-Commerce and Services directives: penalties Amendment 191AA 191AA:...
Lord Bach | 712 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I am looking for advice here, but, as I understand it, yes, any defendant is entitled to say, "Look,...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his reply. I take from it that it is open to a defendant to challe...
Lord Bach | 712 c1531-3 (Link to this contribution) Clause 128 and Schedule 15 implement the European Council Framework Decision of July 2008 on taking ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1527-31 (Link to this contribution) Clause 128 : Treatment of convictions in other member States etc Debate on whether Clause 128 shoul...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c1534 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that assurance. The second matter that I took from his reply is that unless the na...
Lord Bach | 712 c1578 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 221A 221A: Schedule 20, page 216, line 38, after "force" insert "of section 154(1)"
Lord Bach | 712 c1578 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 20: Transitional, transitory and saving provisions Amendments 218E to 220 218E: Schedule ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1576-8 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 19: Minor and consequential amendments Amendments 208 to 218D 208: Schedule 19, page 192,...
Lord Bach | 712 c1575 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 18: Amendments of the Data Protection Act 1998 (c. 29) Amendments 205B and 205C 205B: Sch...
Lord Bach | 712 c1573-4 (Link to this contribution) I will try to keep my reply to an hour and a half; I hope that will fit with the mood of the House. ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1574-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lords, Lord Monson and Lord Henley, for their support for this amendment, and I th...
Lord Henley | 712 c1572-3 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy for the amendment put forward by the noble Baroness. It fits in with th...
Lord Monson | 712 c1573 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has the misfortune to be introducing this excellent amendment at the end of a ver...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1571 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 205A 205A: After Clause 158, insert the following new Clause— "Police retention of photog...
Lord Dubs | 712 c1571 (Link to this contribution) I shall not say that one should be grateful for small mercies; rather I thank my noble friend. It is...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 712 c1571-2 (Link to this contribution) My amendment deals with the retention of data of a different sort: that of personal photographs. If ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1567-8 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 200A and 200B 200A: Clause 156, page 104, leave out lines 2 to 11 200B: Clause 156, pa...
Lord Dubs | 712 c1568-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 205 205: After Clause 158, insert the following new Clause— "Data protection In section 7...
Lord Dubs | 712 c1569-70 (Link to this contribution) This amendment sets out to put right what I think has been a mistake in the way in which various pie...
Lord Bach | 712 c1571 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for moving his amendment so powerfully. Section 77 of the Freedom of Informa...
Lord Bach | 712 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 198A 198A: Clause 156, page 102, line 26, leave out "or" Amendment 198A agreed. Amendme...
Lord Bach | 712 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 199A and 199B 199A: Clause 156, page 102, leave out line 29 and insert "or (c) a person ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 199C 199C: Clause 156, page 103, line 48, at end insert— "(11A) Where a public authority ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1579 (Link to this contribution) I will also speak extremely briefly to government Amendments 221B to 221F and 224. I have two speech...
Lord Henley | 712 c1579 (Link to this contribution) After nine days in Committee on this Bill, I shall take it on trust that these are minor, technical ...
Lord Bach | 712 c1579 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 221B to 221FA 221B: Schedule 20, page 216, line 42, after "force" insert "of section 154...
Lord Bach | 712 c1579 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 21: Repeals Amendment 221G 221G: Schedule 21, page 224, line 38, at end insert— Amendmen...
Lord Bach | 712 c1579-80 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 222 to 223 222: Clause 164, page 110, line 31, leave out "5," 222A: Clause 164, page 1...
Lord Bach | 712 c1580 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 224 224: In the Title, line 1, after "coroners" insert ", to investigation of deaths" Am...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1580 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not yet clear when the Message from the Commons about the Parliamentary Standards Bi...
Lord Borrie | 712 c1558 (Link to this contribution) I was only going to add one or two points. Several of the interventions made by the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c1557 (Link to this contribution) Of course the Government will reflect on this debate. I recognise its quality and depth, but I canno...
Lord Bach | 712 c1576 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 207 207: Clause 159, page 108, line 26, leave out "4," Amendment 207 agreed. Clause 159...
Lord Bach | 712 c1575-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 206ZA to 206ZD 206ZA: Schedule 18, page 182, line 30, at end insert— "(1A) After sub-par...
Subjects
Data protection
Criminal proceedings
Criminal records
Community Legal Service
Coroners
EU law
Legal representation
Legal costs
Electronic commerce
Personal records
Northern Ireland
Police
Proceeds of crime
Photographs
Offensive weapons
Legislation
Coroners and Justice Bill 2008-09
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