Westminster Hall adjournment debate on light dues, lightships and lighthouses.
Light Dues
Adjournment debate on Tuesday, 2 June 2009,
in the House of Commons,
led by Andrew Turner.
The answering
member was Jim Fitzpatrick.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
493 c1-22WH 
Session
2008-09
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Proceeding contributions
Andrew Turner | 493 c3WH (Link to this contribution)
I do not have those figures, but we are always as a consequence pressing for dues to decrease rather...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c3-4WH (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Member for Worthing, West (Peter Bottomley) indicated, the costs of lighthouse services ...
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Andrew Turner | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
I understand that.
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c3WH (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman concede that the damage to our international reputation would be incalculabl...
Andrew Turner | 493 c3WH (Link to this contribution)
That need not happen if the conduct of the process is more reasonable. The Minister is pressing in t...
Peter Bottomley | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
Just because I am a great believer in plain English, does rationalisation mean amalgamation? If it d...
Andrew Turner | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to you, Mr. Olner.
This is the point: the shipping industry put its faith in the...
Speaker | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
Order. Let the hon. Gentleman speak.
Julian Brazier | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
The statistics mentioned are of course true, but we must remember that other transport bodies have b...
Andrew Turner | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
That could be a consequence. Whether the authorities are rationalised, improved or abolished, the po...
Brian Iddon | 493 c4WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has been negative rather than positive in that he has not given his views on how ...
Andrew Turner | 493 c4-5WH (Link to this contribution)
I approve of what is happening on transparency—we are at least doing things openly—but I do not answ...
Louise Ellman | 493 c5WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Turner) has done well to secure this debate and to highlight ...
Peter Bottomley | 493 c5WH (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that neither the hon. Lady nor my hon. Friend suggested that yachtsmen should have to star...
Louise Ellman | 493 c5-6WH (Link to this contribution)
I note the hon. Gentleman's important points.
Last year, the Select Committee on Transport consider...
Alistair Carmichael | 493 c6WH (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Turner) for securing the debate and congratu...
Alistair Carmichael | 493 c6-8WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has anticipated a great deal of what I will say. I am minded to sound a note of c...
Mark Field | 493 c6WH (Link to this contribution)
I do not suggest that our system is perfect. It has clearly agitated people in the industry for well...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c9WH (Link to this contribution)
I completely disagree with the hon. Gentleman's assertion that fishing vessels do not use the servic...
Bob Spink | 493 c8-9WH (Link to this contribution)
I warmly congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Isle of Wight (Mr. Turner) on securing the debat...
John Leech | 493 c12-4WH (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I agree that the issue needs to be considered in the co...
Alistair Carmichael | 493 c12WH (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right to say that the Government must make an early and hard-headed assessment of ...
John Leech | 493 c11-2WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to see you in the Chair, Mr. Olner.
I congratulate the hon. Member for Isle of Wig...
Brian Iddon | 493 c11WH (Link to this contribution)
I accept the hon. Gentleman's point. There has to be a balance, and we must weigh all the factors. M...
Julian Brazier | 493 c11WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point. Will he accept the counterpoint, which is that in an era ...
Brian Iddon | 493 c9-11WH (Link to this contribution)
I came to listen, Mr. Olner, but I have to indulge, I am afraid. I have had a great interest in mari...
Bob Spink | 493 c9WH (Link to this contribution)
No, I was not aware of that. I am grateful to the Minister for that briefing, and to the Minister wi...
Julian Brazier | 493 c16-7WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman puts a perfectly reasonable question, but I tried to make it clear in the early p...
Julian Brazier | 493 c14-6WH (Link to this contribution)
This has been a very interesting and thorough debate, with good points made in all parts of the Cham...
Alistair Carmichael | 493 c16WH (Link to this contribution)
If, when the hon. Gentleman concludes, the Minister stands up and says, "Okay, these increases won't...
Speaker | 493 c22WH (Link to this contribution)
May I say that I found that discussion absolutely enthralling, given that I do not have a lightship ...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c21-2WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I understand that there are three reasons for that. The first...
Julian Brazier | 493 c19WH (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for characteristically giving way. I wish to make two quick points. Fi...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c17-9WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to see you presiding this morning, Mr. Olner, as other hon. Members have mentioned....
Julian Brazier | 493 c21WH (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way a second time. It is indeed true that his Departme...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 493 c19-21WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a very reasonable point. I have asked the simplistic question: can we turn ...
Bob Spink | 493 c2WH (Link to this contribution)
Although it may be a small element for merchant vessels, which deal in very big commercial transacti...
Andrew Turner | 493 c2-3WH (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman said, the UK fishing fleet has to pay those dues. I should like to draw the ma...
Mark Field | 493 c2WH (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has gone back in history and made an interesting analysis of the issue. There are a l...
Andrew Turner | 493 c2WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a relatively small element, but it is important in its effect.
Peter Bottomley | 493 c3WH (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making some valuable points, some of which the Department for Transport could make...
Andrew Turner | 493 c1-2WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to be here, and to be able to bring to the attention of the House the urgent ...
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