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NHS (60th Anniversary)

Opposition day on Tuesday, 24 June 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Alan Johnson.
60th anniversary of the NHS. Fifteenth opposition day debate (part 2). Motion negatived on division (286 votes to 189). Amendment agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
478 c216-59 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c245 (Link to this contribution) I am spoilt for choice, but I shall give way first to the Under-Secretary.
Stephen O'Brien | 478 c242 (Link to this contribution) I was interested to note that the hon. Gentleman holds an important leadership position across the W...

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Stephen Hesford | 478 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) I see that the Minister is nodding; I think that I have described the up-to-date position. However, ...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c243 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is shaking his head; perhaps he wants to intervene.
Stephen Hesford | 478 c243 (Link to this contribution) He does not. I have mentioned my local district general hospital in passing. Two things happened to...
Richard Taylor | 478 c249-51 (Link to this contribution) With some exceptions, I have been desperately disappointed with this debate, which instead of being ...
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c246 (Link to this contribution) May we debate election manifestos for previous elections on another day? I believe that targets are...
Clive Efford | 478 c246 (Link to this contribution) I accept that there is some cross-fertilisation of ideas about the future of the NHS. However, on co...
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c245 (Link to this contribution) I shall now inveigh against a slight conspiracy between Conservative and Labour Front Benchers. It s...
Simon Burns | 478 c248-9 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, because there is not much time. We have differed in our approaches over the wa...
David Anderson | 478 c248 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Simon Burns | 478 c247-8 (Link to this contribution) I join the Secretary of State in congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for South Cambridgeshire (...
Norman Lamb | 478 c235 (Link to this contribution) That is helpful, but I shall return to the subject.
Norman Lamb | 478 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) Despite that suggestion, I will not leave it out, because it is a central issue that needs to be add...
Lord Lansley | 478 c237 (Link to this contribution) The document we published today is expressly a follow-up to the autonomy and accountability paper th...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c235 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not understand that without some form of direction from the centre, without ...
Norman Lamb | 478 c234 (Link to this contribution) The crux of the problem is that, as my hon. Friend says, we do not have an IT system. It was a syste...
Norman Lamb | 478 c235 (Link to this contribution) The remarkable answer to that is that we have a postcode lottery now. It is alive and kicking, and w...
Norman Lamb | 478 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. This country has gross inequalities in health outcomes. That issue has not been focused on ...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c240-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions Clatterbridge, which is one of my local hospitals. I shall come back to ...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c240 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes his point. I now want to come up to date. I have some sympathy with the ho...
Lord Lansley | 478 c240 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, because he is making such a helpful speech from our poin...
Simon Burns | 478 c240 (Link to this contribution) My point was that the Conservatives may have set up a committee to get outsiders' views on the way f...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c240 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure what that has to do with the point that I was making—
Simon Burns | 478 c239 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman rambles down the roads of history and recalls a committee that recommended tha...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c239 (Link to this contribution) Let me make one further point, although I always enjoy the hon. Gentleman's interventions and I am l...
Simon Burns | 478 c239 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen Hesford | 478 c239 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Health on setting out his case. I rec...
Norman Lamb | 478 c237-9 (Link to this contribution) That suggests to me that waiting time targets might re-emerge, either locally or through the indepen...
Alan Johnson | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend, and I will come on to targets and outcomes a little later. The C...
Joan Ryan | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) May I suggest that my right hon. Friend might get quite a long way ahead in the ratings if he told t...
Alan Johnson | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) In a second. Every single Conservative Member won their seat on a manifesto that supported the NHS t...
Lord Lansley | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Alan Johnson | 478 c229 (Link to this contribution) The Conservative party has tabled a motion saying that ““all political parties”” have supported the ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) Is the Secretary of State interested in history, as he seems to have glossed over the fact that sinc...
Simon Burns | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) Interesting as it is for the right hon. Gentleman to give us a history lesson, does he accept that m...
Alan Johnson | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point entirely. However, the hon. Member for South Cambridgeshire began his speech by ...
Norman Lamb | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) I am still waiting for the right hon. Gentleman to mention who laid the foundation stones of the NHS...
Alan Johnson | 478 c228 (Link to this contribution) I will. Beveridge's contribution should be recognised, as indeed should that of Lloyd George, who in...
Norman Lamb | 478 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to join in celebrating the 60th anniversary of the NHS. It is right to acknowledge and ...
Alan Johnson | 478 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) Why did the hon. Gentleman have to intervene? I was just mentioning the tolerance: the figure is 10 ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c231 (Link to this contribution) It is quite important that we are clear about that. For example, the Government will say that nobody...
Alan Johnson | 478 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) I saw what is happening in Salford when I was there a couple of weeks ago. When I went to King's, I ...
Clive Efford | 478 c229 (Link to this contribution) This is an area where the Tories have created more than a bit of confusion for me. Heaven forbid tha...
Alan Johnson | 478 c230 (Link to this contribution) The public will be bemused by all this discussion about outcomes. They want to get through A and E i...
Baroness Keeley | 478 c230 (Link to this contribution) I have referred to this before, but it is a key point about cervical cancer screening. We know we ha...
Alan Johnson | 478 c230 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good question. [Interruption.] It is a very good question. Last week we had a debate ...
Mary Creagh | 478 c230 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that quality and dignity go hand in hand in the NHS, and that our ta...
Charles Walker | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) I am not one for celebrating institutions, but I am one for celebrating the people who work in them,...
Alan Johnson | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree, and I cordially invite my hon. Friend's constituent to come to Westminster Abbey n...
Simon Burns | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Alan Johnson | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will look at that, but today's occasion should not get bogged down in mileage allowances...
Lord Lansley | 478 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to finish my speech in a moment. I want everyone to have a chance to speak. The nati...
Clive Efford | 478 c223 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Fraser Kemp | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) A constituent, Mrs. Elizabeth Porter, celebrates her 100th birthday next year. She spoke to me recen...
Alan Johnson | 478 c224-6 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, To leave out from ““all;”” to the end of the Question, and to add instead thereof:"““...
Anne Moffat | 478 c223 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was talking about what NHS staff actually thought. Does he remember—as I do from ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c223 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that hon. Lady thinks that that was true in the past, and that it is not true today. I am...
Alan Johnson | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for West Chelmsford (Mr. Burns) cannot intervene before I have risen to respond to t...
Jim Devine | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) It might be helpful to the debate if Conservative Members in making their contributions or interject...
Alan Johnson | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) In a few moments. I think that it would be really strange if, in debating an Opposition motion cele...
Jim Devine | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Alan Johnson | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) Every poll I read puts us in the lead; I suppose it all depends which ones, but let that pass.
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State. One of his achievements in office is that my hon. Friend th...
Alan Johnson | 478 c227 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the former and very distinguished Secretary of State for Health.
Alan Johnson | 478 c226 (Link to this contribution) Let me finish my point. The Conservatives voted against Third Reading, proving that this was an abso...
Stephen O'Brien | 478 c253-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made an important point. This is not a question of party political partisanship; ...
Ann Keen | 478 c254-6 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am exceptionally proud and very pleased to wind up in this debate on 60 years of the health ...
Stephen O'Brien | 478 c251-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a genuine pleasure to wind up this debate to mark the 60th anniversary of our national health ...
Peter Bone | 478 c253 (Link to this contribution) Is not the Government's history one of missed opportunity? While doubling the amount of money spent ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c216 (Link to this contribution) When I have made a little progress. We do so entirely in the spirit in which the national health se...
Jim Devine | 478 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) I have the record of Second Reading of the Bill that introduced the national health service, in whic...
Lord Lansley | 478 c217 (Link to this contribution) Considering the occasion, the purpose of the debate, the nature of the motion that we have tabled an...
Graham Stuart | 478 c217 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on the tone with which he has begun the debate, in which hon. Members ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c217-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention and it will not surprise my hon. Friend to know that I feel stro...
Chris Ruane | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman started with a brief synopsis of the Conservative party's position in the 1940s. ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) I have not looked back—[hon. Members: ““Oh!””] However, my recollection is that Conservative Members...
Jeremy Browne | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way because I want to make a helpful intervention. In...
Speaker | 478 c216 (Link to this contribution) I must remind the House that Mr. Speaker has selected the amendment standing in the name of the Prim...
Lord Lansley | 478 c216 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House celebrates 60 years of the NHS; recognises the support from all polit...
Jim Devine | 478 c216 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 478 c221 (Link to this contribution) Let me say two things to the hon. Lady. First, I do not think that she has talked to many NHS staff,...
Joan Ryan | 478 c221 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do not understand the basis on which the hon. Gentleman c...
Speaker | 478 c221 (Link to this contribution) Order. If that had not been in order, I would not have let the hon. Gentleman say it. These are matt...
Lord Lansley | 478 c222 (Link to this contribution) Let me explain two things to the hon. Lady. First, many clinicians to whom I have spoken over many y...
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c223 (Link to this contribution) Is not the situation actually worse than my hon. Friend describes? Some years ago, there were two ga...
Lord Lansley | 478 c223 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that it is, and this takes us back to one of the central issues that most depresses peop...
Clive Efford | 478 c222 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Barry Gardiner | 478 c222 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 478 c222 (Link to this contribution) No. International benchmarking is absolutely critical. Let us look at a simple example. The Governm...
Lord Lansley | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) Labour Members should listen to my right hon. Friend because attachment to the NHS is often expresse...
Lord Lansley | 478 c219 (Link to this contribution) I want to make progress and I do not want to take much time because I want as many Members as possib...
Greg Knight | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that, although most people recognise the anniversary, it is not being celebr...
Joan Ryan | 478 c221 (Link to this contribution) It is important to talk to staff, and I have talked to the staff at my local hospital. They are user...
Alan Johnson | 478 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) Staff views are very important. NHS staff were concerned about changes to their normal pension age. ...
Lord Lansley | 478 c221 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I did not have the opportunity, I am afraid, to listen to my hon. Friend on ““Newsnight””, but ...
Philip Hollobone | 478 c220 (Link to this contribution) Local people in Kettering are rightly proud of their district general hospital, which this year cele...
Lord Lansley | 478 c220 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes an important point. If my memory serves, over the past ye...
Clive Efford | 478 c219 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Ann Keen | 478 c245 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman comment on waiting lists? What was happening to waiting lists—for canc...
Lord Lansley | 478 c222 (Link to this contribution) No. Let us be very clear about this. International benchmarking—
Lord Lansley | 478 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) No, I am making progress and I want other hon. Members to be able to speak. Hon. Members of all par...
Stephen Hesford | 478 c242 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has a point in that that was a problem historically. It is a perfectly serious po...
Lord Lansley | 478 c218 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must not believe everything that he reads in the newspapers. I made no such commi...
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) I begin by congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for South Cambridgeshire (Mr. Lansley) on tablin...
Stephen Dorrell | 478 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) The Under-Secretary shakes her head but it is deeply imbued in the culture that, when a good idea is...
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