European Union (Amendment) Bill. Lords Committee stage seventh day. Clause 8 agreed to. Part 2 of 2 records.
European Union (Amendment) Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 20 May 2008,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
701 c1433-58 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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House of Lords
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1433 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is very welcome.
Lord Radice | 701 c1433 (Link to this contribution)
I think the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, had finished speaking. I am not trying to interrupt...
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Lord Radice | 701 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord. I call this the ““cat out of the bag”” amendment. This is what the two noble...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1434-5 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Radice, who I greatly like and admire. This is...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has obviously not read the treaty of Rome very carefully. If he had, he would have se...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution)
That has probably dealt with the intervention of the noble Lord, Lord McNally, far more effectively ...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord believes that so fervently, why does he not support this amendment? This would giv...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, will be familiar with what happens in Canada whe...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Wallace, will know that I take no part of setting a trap for the Liberal party....
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
I have already explained why I am not inclined to support the UKIP amendment. My party has just agre...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1441 (Link to this contribution)
Has my erstwhile noble and very good friend been referring to the Conservative Party in his recent r...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1441 (Link to this contribution)
I have put my name to the amendment because it really is time that we asked the British people again...
Lord McNally | 701 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
It has been the party policy of the Liberal Party for 50 years to support Europe; it was the party p...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I have been talking about UKIP. Perhaps the noble Lord has missed this.
A notable omission from the...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad the noble Lord raises that as I was just going to come to it; he anticipated my remarks. W...
Lord Radice | 701 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
I promise not to intervene on the noble Lord’s speech again. If there was a referendum, would he acc...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for saying that but hope he will agree that that is not what was put...
Lord McNally | 701 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
Let me give the noble Lord a history lesson. There was a party that put a specific question during t...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think they were asked the specific question at those general elections. That is why we shou...
Lord McNally | 701 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is quoting the noble Lord, Lord Owen, but during the period to which he has referred ...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for reminding me of that. Nothing surprises me when it comes to the...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
They might have been saying something about the leadership and policies of the Labour Party and not ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
I was defeated in that election in 1983 so I know a little bit about it and about the reason why peo...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
I am most obliged to the noble Lord for giving me such a good reference to join the Government as a ...
Viscount Trenchard | 701 c1446-7 (Link to this contribution)
I would nearly like to support the amendment in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Pearson, Lord Sto...
Lord Dykes | 701 c1447 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Viscount for giving way and I apologise for interrupting, but is tha...
Viscount Astor | 701 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
Of course it is not the noble Baroness’s fault. But I believe that the Government, of whom she is pa...
Lord Radice | 701 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has asked me a question. I wrote my own manifesto. That is how I stayed in the Labour...
Viscount Astor | 701 c1445-6 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, the noble Lord, Lord Radice, had the courage of his convictions. Unfortunately, many of his ...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
I listened with great interest to the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart, who, contrary to the views opposite...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest that the noble Lord looks at Hansard. He will see that the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart—and I...
Viscount Astor | 701 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
This amendment has merit only because of the Government’s response to the previous amendment on whet...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the noble Lord that this debate is not my fault.
Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c1443-4 (Link to this contribution)
As I am a Cross-Bench Peer, I am privileged not to have to intervene in the matter of the party poli...
Lord Leach of Fairford | 701 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that I have heard that argument being advanced by anyone, and I have been in the Cham...
Lord Sewel | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord makes quite proper play of the importance of principle and consistency in policy on E...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
I do not speak for the party on the common fisheries policy or anything else. I cannot claim to be a...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
May I therefore take it that the Conservative Party has no acknowledged national policy on a referen...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
If it was in our manifesto to have one on the constitution then I think that it is our policy. I do ...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry. May I ask the noble Lord which Conservative Party conference passed a resolution in favo...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether it was put to a party conference, but it is in our manifesto that we would hav...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 701 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
May I just ask the honourable Member—
Lord Stevens of Ludgate | 701 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
The Government continually tell us that we are doing better than other countries in the EU so why do...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said that the EU is not giving enough support in Afghanistan. How does he think the E...
Lord Stevens of Ludgate | 701 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
By supplying more troops, obviously.
Lord Lea of Crondall | 701 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
Did the noble Lord say that the EU is not giving enough support in Afghanistan? How does he propose ...
Lord Stevens of Ludgate | 701 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry; I missed the end of the question.
Viscount Trenchard | 701 c1447-8 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whom the noble Lord talks to in the City but I assure him that there is very great con...
Lord Stevens of Ludgate | 701 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
I speak in favour of the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pearson. I greatly admire his...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
I would not have wanted to do it like that but as we are debating the Bill on the treaty, I had to e...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1456-8 (Link to this contribution)
I think it was the noble Lord, Lord Lea, who asked that question. I cannot believe it was the right ...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for giving way. As he is giving out marks to everybody here, I hope that he w...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1455-6 (Link to this contribution)
As usual, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have supported this amendment. I shall say just ...
Lord Kinnock | 701 c1451 (Link to this contribution)
Events have escaped me. When did Nico Sarkozy become leader of the Conservative Party in the United ...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is putting a debating question to me. He knows that perfectly well. I can answer only...
Lord McNally | 701 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord has done what my leader did very successfully in the Commons, which is finally to get...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1452-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that should my noble friend Lord Strathclyde hear these kind invitations, he will listen t...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1453-5 (Link to this contribution)
I do not doubt for a moment the passion and conviction that noble Lords have brought to this final d...
Lord Kinnock | 701 c1451 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Conservative Party—
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1451 (Link to this contribution)
I can tell the noble Lord that we have not reached a settled, new pattern of the European Union but ...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1451 (Link to this contribution)
Would the noble Lord let me finish my sentence? He has asked a question, which I am trying to answer...
Lord Kinnock | 701 c1450 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is in danger of asking the question that was posed by my noble friend in the last deb...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution)
Well, it is that at the moment, but this is a self-amending treaty, as the noble Lord knows better t...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 701 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
They are very weird principles. The Liberal Democrats were on record as saying that they wanted a re...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, for trying to be charitable to the Conserv...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1436 (Link to this contribution)
Does my noble friend recall that the European Parliament has voted in the past few weeks that were t...
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