European Union (Amendment) Bill. Lords Committee stage sixth day. Clause 3 agreed to. Clause 6 under consideration.
European Union (Amendment) Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 19 May 2008,
in the House of Lords.
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701 c1305-46 
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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House of Lords
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Haskel | 701 c1325 (Link to this contribution)
I have to inform your Lordships that if Amendment No. 136 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment No. 136...
Lord Roper | 701 c1325-6 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Howell—this group of amendments is extremely important. The Europe...
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Lord Owen | 701 c1328-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an extremely important amendment. I refer particularly to Amendment No. 136A, whic...
Lord Roper | 701 c1330 (Link to this contribution)
I find a possible contradiction in the noble Lord’s argument, which is otherwise rather powerful. If...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1331 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for allowing me to intervene in his excellent exposition. I understand that t...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 701 c1326 (Link to this contribution)
I have a question for the noble Lord. Where do we find in paragraphs 3.15 and 3.16 the mind of that ...
Lord Roper | 701 c1326 (Link to this contribution)
The committee was considering the proposals that had already been made in the Bill, which related no...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1326-8 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the Committee, it may be convenient for me to speak to Amendment No. 150, which de...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c1328 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Howell of Guildford, that these are important provisions...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1338 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have never said that we are standing alone against wicked continentals. I do not think t...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I said that I thought it less likely that they would be used. However, the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, said in his remarks that the people distrust parliaments. I ...
Lord Tugendhat | 701 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my understanding was that the previous Prime Minister, Tony Blair, volunteered a commitmen...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c1338 (Link to this contribution)
I said that with the leave of the Committee I would speak to that amendment as it dealt with the pow...
Lord Roper | 701 c1338 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that this group includes merely Amendments Nos. 136, 136A, 149 and 151. Amendment No. 1...
Lord Owen | 701 c1337 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord agree that exactly that situation confronted the former Prime Minister Tony Blai...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c1335-6 (Link to this contribution)
I was not going to intervene in this debate, but I do so briefly, partly to defend my noble friend t...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1335 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise that. The noble Lord, Lord Howell, preferring on this occasion the Commons to the Lords ...
Lord Owen | 701 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid the noble Baroness shows how little time she has spent in the small hours negotiating in...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1332 (Link to this contribution)
I want to be absolutely clear. The Prime Minister or any other Minister could not make that decision...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1333-4 (Link to this contribution)
This debate has ranged widely beyond the exact amendment: we have heard about parliamentary reform a...
Lord Blackwell | 701 c1333 (Link to this contribution)
I shall intervene only briefly after that powerful speech by the noble Lord, Lord Owen. If the Gover...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1334 (Link to this contribution)
Why does the noble Lord keep promoting parliamentary scrutiny when we have seen that no scrutiny fro...
Lord Owen | 701 c1335 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord praises endlessly the Select Committee approach and the committee procedures, and he ...
Lord Owen | 701 c1331-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid the noble Baroness did not quite hear what I was saying. I said that in the middle of th...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1331 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord. I wanted to clarify that no Minister in the middle of the night cou...
Lord Bach | 701 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion a...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1344-6 (Link to this contribution)
The comments that I have just made rather apply. I agree with my right honourable friend in the othe...
Lord Dykes | 701 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord accept the view of his former senior colleague in government in the other place,...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
The previous passerelles were not similar to the one here because the treaty will collapse the Third...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1344 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to confirm that I did indeed say ““May never””. The noble Lord will remember as he was a memb...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1343-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pity, but perhaps inevitable, that we have been debating such a crucial matter thr...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1343 (Link to this contribution)
That is why I said to the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, that I want to check that because fi...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1343 (Link to this contribution)
The Government’s figures give us 187 overrides in both Houses in the past three years, but it would ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1341-2 (Link to this contribution)
However, here we are discussing the passerelles within the treaty under Clause 6. We are saying that...
Lord Owen | 701 c1341 (Link to this contribution)
No suggestion? The noble Baroness’s former Prime Minister was committed to a referendum and he told ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1342-3 (Link to this contribution)
I can confirm what the noble Lord, Lord Roper, said. This House will be completely at liberty. This ...
Lord Roper | 701 c1342 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the noble Baroness. Does she accept that between the original treaty and this ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1339-41 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an interesting and stimulating debate on an important subject. Noble Lords have made c...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 701 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to speak to this amendment. We have heard some significant speeches from people w...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c1341 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord cannot resist interrupting me, so I give way.
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1338 (Link to this contribution)
I am obliged to the noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, for confirming that my understanding of th...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
As I said last week, I am not in the habit of giving way in these debates. The noble Lord, Lord Pear...
Lord Bach | 701 c1315 (Link to this contribution)
He can certainly be prosecuted under UK criminal law for criminal damage, if for no other offence. I...
Lord Monson | 701 c1314 (Link to this contribution)
Suppose an individual were publicly to set fire to the EU flag with a view to stirring up hatred aga...
Lord Bach | 701 c1312-4 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is quite wrong about direct taxation—but let me come to that in due course. I thank h...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1312 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that that is correct. I have no doubt that I shall have to put the same question to the ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1312 (Link to this contribution)
This is Committee stage, and if the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, wants to speak again, he is perfectly ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1312 (Link to this contribution)
Could I ask the noble Lord, Lord Brittan—
Lord Brittan of Spennithorne | 701 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution)
Although I respect the thinking behind the comments of my noble friend Lady Noakes, I do not agree w...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1315 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, and particularly to those who have supported ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1315 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord give way? I am most obliged. Of course it is considered courteous in this House ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1315-6 (Link to this contribution)
I thought it was perfectly clear under the present arrest warrant that that person can be so extradi...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1318 (Link to this contribution)
I just read Hansard.
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1318 (Link to this contribution)
Briefly, I compliment the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Wirral, on the massive amount of work that Conser...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1318 (Link to this contribution)
We all appreciate that we play games on this. I simply read the relevant report of the House of Lord...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1317 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend Lord Willoughby de Broke, the noble Lord, Lord Stoddart of Swindon, and I have a Que...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1318 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord, but I hope that he will concede that most people in this country st...
Lord Tugendhat | 701 c1318 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the noble Lord is in error. It was never called the European Common Market. It began wi...
Lord Roper | 701 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution)
I have been following the Minister with great attention, particularly in view of the remarks of the ...
Lord Bach | 701 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
I am not in a position to confirm that tonight but if the noble Lord, Lord Roper, knows it to be so,...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to quote from Britain’s New Deal in Europe, the document issued by the then Labour Gov...
Lord Bach | 701 c1319 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 131 relates to the power in the Bill allowing the Government to make changes to termin...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I can answer the question posed by the noble Lord, Lord Wallace. In his introduction to...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
We have had a lot of unanswered questions, including the last one. It seems that no one can remember...
Lord Bach | 701 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
I admire the noble Lord’s memory, but I am afraid that I cannot remember.
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1320 (Link to this contribution)
We heard a number of things about changes in terminology and the importance of us believing that eve...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c1323-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 136:
136: Clause 6, page 2, line 39, leave out from ““Crown”” to ““a”” and ins...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously in this discussion between the noble Lords, Lord Wallace and Lord Stoddart, terminology is...
Lord Tomlinson | 701 c1311 (Link to this contribution)
I do not propose to deal with Amendment No. 129, because its inadequacies have already been adequate...
Baroness Noakes | 701 c1310 (Link to this contribution)
I hope there was no misunderstanding about what I was saying. I was making no case for tax evasion a...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1310-1 (Link to this contribution)
I fully understand that and I accept the distinction. Part of the problem is that as companies opera...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 701 c1309 (Link to this contribution)
I recall that I made a declaration of interest at the beginning of the Committee stage. I intervene ...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1309-10 (Link to this contribution)
I was chair of the justice and home affairs sub-committee of the Lords EU Committee when the Amsterd...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c1308-9 (Link to this contribution)
I support both amendments. Before I came into the Chamber, I looked up in the Shorter Oxford English...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c1305-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 129:
129: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
““Xenophobia
Notwit...
Baroness Noakes | 701 c1306-8 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to make a small contribution on the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, ...
Lord Bach | 701 c1305 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Moved accordi...
Lord Owen | 701 c1330-1 (Link to this contribution)
I quite agree. And because it is timetabled it is less onerous to ask the Government to accept that ...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 701 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 131:
131: Clause 3, page 2, line 12, leave out paragraph (c) and insert—
““(c)...
Lord Tugendhat | 701 c1336-7 (Link to this contribution)
I very much agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Tomlinson, has said. I would like to address my rem...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c1334-5 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise that the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, views the European Union as a foreign body...
Lord Owen | 701 c1331 (Link to this contribution)
It is not for me to go into too much detail on what is or is not reform in the other place. I am ver...
Lord Monson | 701 c1308 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may concentrate on Amendment No. 129. Xenophobia is a feeling, an emotion, like anger, anx...
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