Health and Social Care Bill
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
701 c107-66GC
Session
2007-08
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Health and Social Care Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33 also published.
Tuesday, 19 February 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Tuesday, 19 February 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Barker | 701 c160GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for giving such consideration to the amendments. I will certainly go away...
Baroness Barker | 701 c160-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 54A:
54A: Clause 16, page 8, line 39, at end insert—
““( ) The functions of th...
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Earl Howe | 701 c139-41GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 43:
43: Clause 16, page 7, line 35, after ““are”” insert ““not””
The noble Ea...
Lord Warner | 701 c138GC (Link to this contribution)
I have listened carefully and I will study my noble friend’s remarks, but I am still rather puzzled ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 701 c126GC (Link to this contribution)
I very much support the amendment. I would have thought that this was, far from being boring for Gov...
Baroness Stern | 701 c129-30GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 37:
37: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—
““Certain regulated a...
Lord Warner | 701 c120GC (Link to this contribution)
I promise not to express being peeved again. If I have understood the Minister correctly, she is say...
Earl Howe | 701 c110-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I cannot better the speeches of the noble Lord, Lord Warner, and the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy. Ho...
Earl Howe | 701 c161-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to my Amendment No. 110. Its purpose is straightforward: it is to oblige the commissio...
Earl Howe | 701 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I was quoting from an editorial in the Lancet: "““Brown also plans to double the number of hospital ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c163GC (Link to this contribution)
I support these amendments. In a recent Question on this subject, I suggested that we should have st...
Viscount Ullswater | 701 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
The Committee stands adjourned until Monday 12 May at 3.30 pm.
Baroness Barker | 701 c155GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendments, particularly Amendment No. 51. Along with other noble Lords, I had the int...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
That is a very fair question. I suspect that we shall discuss it later when we discuss co-operation ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
I am one of the supporters of Amendment No. 48. When my husband was in hospital when he had serious ...
Earl Howe | 701 c143-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to say that my probing amendments succeeded in their purpose, because that was a very...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c148-50GC (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to support my noble friend Lady Knight, who has been a doughty fighter on this subjec...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c141GC (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend. At Second Reading, from these Benches we put a lot of emphasis on a light...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I could not resist adding my name to this wonderfully brave amendment which would, at a stroke, give...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c137-8GC (Link to this contribution)
We of course expect the CQC to consider taking enforcement action where providers fail to improve to...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c142-3GC (Link to this contribution)
The amendment moved by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, aims to limit the amount of regulation imposed on ...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c133GC (Link to this contribution)
I would like to take up the points made by my noble friend. In the light of this being a probing ame...
Baroness Stern | 701 c132-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank all who have spoken. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, for reminding us that it ...
Baroness Greengross | 701 c130-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I support this amendment, on which I shall make a couple of points. I do so as a commissioner on the...
Earl Howe | 701 c134GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. Rather as I thought would be the case, the Government ...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c130GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have put my name to the amendment, but it would be tiresome for the Committee were I to spea...
Lord Warner | 701 c120GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to be persistent on this, but this is a critical issue for the Committee. Is my noble fri...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c120GC (Link to this contribution)
The draft registration requirement, which I quoted to the Committee, is to ensure that people have t...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c111-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, should like to speak in support of these amendments. I start by setting the PCTs in context....
Baroness Barker | 701 c117-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 30:
30: Clause 4, page 3, line 6, at end insert—
““( ) the assessment of socia...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c163-5GC (Link to this contribution)
We all recognise the importance and the difficulty of dealing with healthcare-associated infections,...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c157GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. I am sure that noble Lords will understand that the basis for t...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c155-7GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendments Nos. 51 and 52 propose specific matters relating to monitoring the application of the Men...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
Bearing in mind that all hospitals will be foundation trusts in the future and will be regulated by ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
I said that the Care Quality Commission would have the power to act on this, were it a requirement.
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c146-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I listened to what the noble Baroness, Lady Masham of Ilton, said, but her argument is more about th...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c144-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 48:
48: Clause 16, page 7, line 44, at end insert—
““( ) make provision in rel...
Earl Howe | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister be kind enough to clarify something she said? I thought I heard her say that the H...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c150-2GC (Link to this contribution)
Having listened to the debate, there is no doubt in my mind about the strength of feeling on this is...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Since up to this point no Division has been called, I beg to move that the Committee do now adjourn ...
Earl Howe | 701 c136-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I am drawn to the amendment and I was considerably persuaded by the case made by the noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c141GC (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether I might return on that point. I do not know the detail of these issues in the way t...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c131-2GC (Link to this contribution)
These two amendments relate to the application of the Human Rights Act to care provided in private s...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c133-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 6 currently provides that the person required to register is the, "““person who carries on a ...
Baroness Barker | 701 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution)
My name is not attached to these amendments, but I have a great deal of sympathy for them. I say to ...
Lord Warner | 701 c123GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend will be pleased to know that I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by l...
Lord Warner | 701 c111GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may correct a slip of the tongue in my opening remarks. I said that I had overdosed on Ame...
Baroness Barker | 701 c113-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with these amendments, as my amendments in the following group might indicate. ...
Lord Warner | 701 c117GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for at least a little more than half a loaf in this area; indeed, i...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c118-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendments with a pessimistic heart, given the reception for the previous group of ame...
Lord Warner | 701 c119GC (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to speak on the amendment, but I am so peeved at some of the Government’s reactio...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c109-10GC (Link to this contribution)
I support this group of amendments. In my view, we come to the absolute nub of the role of the Care ...
Lord Colwyn | 701 c107GC (Link to this contribution)
I give the usual reminder that, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Comm...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until next Monday at 3.30 pm.
Baroness Barker | 701 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for that answer. It is important that there is transparency right from th...
Baroness Barker | 701 c157-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 53A:
53A: Clause 16, page 8, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) impose requirements...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c159-60GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendments Nos. 53A and 65 relate to the General Social Care Council. Amendment No. 53A seeks to mak...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c152-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 51:
51: Clause 16, page 8, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) impose requirements a...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
I have listened with great care and enormous interest to the Minister. I shall certainly suggest to ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
No, not the Healthcare Commission, I beg your pardon.
Earl Howe | 701 c152GC (Link to this contribution)
Not the Healthcare Commission?
Earl Howe | 701 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 54 and 55, which are in this group. My noble friend Lady Knight abl...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c141GC (Link to this contribution)
I had not wished to intervene at this stage and I am waiting for a later part of the Bill, but I can...
Baroness Barker | 701 c141-2GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may help on a point of clarification. Those requirements were debated at considerable leng...
Earl Howe | 701 c133GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 39:
39: Clause 6, page 3, line 24, after ““registered”” insert ““or working fo...
Lord Warner | 701 c131GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may make a few remarks based on my experience before and after the 1997 election of introd...
Lord Warner | 701 c134-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 40:
40: Clause 13, page 6, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) on the ground of persi...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c124-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I support my noble friend on these amendments. In my experience, health promotion is a tricky area f...
Lord Warner | 701 c126GC (Link to this contribution)
I certainly do not share the noble Baroness’s view on the Government’s track record on public health...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c127-8GC (Link to this contribution)
For the purposes of Chapter 2, Clause 5 effectively sets the outer boundary for the kinds of activit...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
Will alcohol and drug risks and health education in schools come under this provision?
Baroness Thornton | 701 c128-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Providers of services, such as smoking cessation clinics or sexual health clinics, could be register...
Earl Howe | 701 c129GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that largely reassuring reply. However, I shall have to read it be...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c119-20GC (Link to this contribution)
Needs assessments are of course a very important part of the process of ensuring that patients and s...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c120GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure that we are not going round in circles here. At the moment, the first registration req...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c123GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend Lord Warner and the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, are fundamentally in the same posit...
Baroness Barker | 701 c120-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords for participating in our discussion. I merely put it on record that I intend...
Lord Warner | 701 c121-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 32:
32: Clause 4, page 3, line 10, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State...
Earl Howe | 701 c123-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 34:
34: Clause 5, page 3, line 13, after second ““care”” insert ““(whether for...
Lord Warner | 701 c114GC (Link to this contribution)
Do I support a rights-based approach in social care? Yes. However, the primary objective for a regul...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c114-7GC (Link to this contribution)
These amendments, which were tabled by my noble friend Lord Warner, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and t...
Lord Warner | 701 c107-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 29:
29: Clause 4, page 2, line 39, leave out ““provision of”” and insert ““com...
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