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473 c85-117

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2007-08

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Department for Transport

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London Underground and the public-private partnership agreements. Transport Select Committee second report with proceedings, evidence (HC 1081-i 2006-07 and HC 45-i 2007-08 not printed separately) and appendices.
Wednesday, 16 January 2008
Parliamentary committees
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Spring supplementary estimates for central government for 2007-08.
Tuesday, 19 February 2008
House of Commons papers
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Proceeding contributions

Norman Baker | 473 c114 (Link to this contribution) The Minister rightly says that Metronet was a failure, but she does not seem to accept the Treasury'...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 473 c114-6 (Link to this contribution) I wish to discuss the background to the original thinking on PPP and to emphasise that the House sho...

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Stephen Hammond | 473 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) It is clear to me that at the heart of the problem is an ill judged—on both sides—lack of understand...

Greg Hands | 473 c114 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is also Minister for Yorkshire and the Humber. Given the seriousness of the Metronet si...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 473 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) This has been an interesting debate, and I am sure it would have been even more lively if my hon. Fr...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c112 (Link to this contribution) Let us be accurate. The arbitrator split the costs, although I agree that he moved the balance of th...

Baroness Kramer | 473 c112 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the contracts did not give Transport for London power to give exten...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c110-2 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will let me continue, I am coming on to that. I am saying that the principle i...

Harry Cohen | 473 c112 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making up history, or giving us his own version of it. The PPP independent arb...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) The Metronet contract was supposed to deliver 35 station upgrades in three years: it delivered 14. I...

Kelvin Hopkins | 473 c110 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman began by saying what a disaster PPP has been, so I am astonished that he is now s...

Baroness Kramer | 473 c108 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman remember that those who wanted a public sector option also said that g...

Nick Raynsford | 473 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree, and I would only disagree because the hon. Lady berated the public sector compar...

Nick Raynsford | 473 c108 (Link to this contribution) I will give way very briefly, but I am time-limited.

Baroness Kramer | 473 c108 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Greg Hands | 473 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I am sure that her figures are absolutely right. I was...

Justine Greening | 473 c96 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend might be interested to hear the statistics that I have pulled off London Underground'...

Greg Hands | 473 c96 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I was going to talk about some of the shorter trains on that lin...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c95 (Link to this contribution) It is even worse than that. As my hon. Friend knows, by the time the train reaches Wimbledon Park, w...

Greg Hands | 473 c95 (Link to this contribution) I have just taken part in the Northern Rock debate, and there seems to be something of a theme today...

Harry Cohen | 473 c93-5 (Link to this contribution) I do agree with that, but there is another point. I have given many speeches on PPP in this Chamber ...

David Leslie Taylor | 473 c93 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and I are two of the few public sector accountants in this House. Does he agree that ...

Greg Hands | 473 c97 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Gentleman mentioned that, because I checked what our party's position was at...

Clive Efford | 473 c97 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recall that at the time, his party time was in favour of a wholesale, unbrid...

Baroness Kramer | 473 c102 (Link to this contribution) The structure was fundamentally flawed. If we negotiate with the private sector, we should be aware ...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c105 (Link to this contribution) The calculation was redone at the weekend and the figure of £100 million constitutes a false allegat...

Clive Efford | 473 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) I start by saying how much I regret the fact that the Chair of our Select Committee, my hon. Friend ...

Baroness Kramer | 473 c102-4 (Link to this contribution) I must move on, because others want to speak. To give a simple example, even the most senior engine...

Justine Greening | 473 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) That is one way of looking at the situation, but as we have discussed, what is interesting about the...

Kelvin Hopkins | 473 c106 (Link to this contribution) Is not what the hon. Lady describing a demonstration that the privateers are simply interested in ma...

Justine Greening | 473 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to contribute to the debate because the performance of the District line and the tube g...

Clive Efford | 473 c105 (Link to this contribution) I would take the hon. Gentleman through the miscalculations—[Hon. Members: ““Go on!””] If I am to al...

Nick Raynsford | 473 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) First, I draw attention to my interest as declared in the Register of Members' Interests. I rise to...

Greg Hands | 473 c98 (Link to this contribution) I will not take any more interventions because time is short. In 19 years-worth of Hansard, the Prim...

Graham Stringer | 473 c98 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I will try to limit my remarks, although one could easily take the ...

Speaker | 473 c98 (Link to this contribution) Order. There is limited time left in this debate before the Front Benchers make their contributions....

Graham Stringer | 473 c98-101 (Link to this contribution) Experience shows that my hon. Friend is right. That was the experience of Railtrack and of Metronet....

Kelvin Hopkins | 473 c98 (Link to this contribution) I agree with everything that my hon. Friend is saying, but does he accept that when it comes to vita...

Justine Greening | 473 c101 (Link to this contribution) indicated dissent.

Baroness Kramer | 473 c101 (Link to this contribution) At the time of the PPP, I was on the board of Transport for London. I was a virulent opponent of the...

Kelvin Hopkins | 473 c102 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is suggesting that the Government had weak negotiators on their side. If they had had ...

Baroness Kramer | 473 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady shakes her head, but I stood on a platform day in, day out with the Conservative mayor...

David Leslie Taylor | 473 c89 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree with my right hon. Friend the Member for Greenwich and Woolwich (Mr. R...

Norman Baker | 473 c89 (Link to this contribution) I fear the worst when I hear the evidence from East Putney. I hope the Minister will tell us that th...

David Leslie Taylor | 473 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) In the light of the powerful analysis in the report, which I warmly welcome having been a long-term ...

Louise Ellman | 473 c87 (Link to this contribution) I share my hon. Friend's concerns. The Committee's recommends constant monitoring and that the requi...

Nick Raynsford | 473 c87 (Link to this contribution) As a representative of the area served by Tube Lines, I am surprised to hear the views expressed by ...

Norman Baker | 473 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) May I say how collectively sorry we are that the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody) ...

Graham Stringer | 473 c88 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was being uncharacteristically inaccurate and unfair to the Committee when he sai...

Norman Baker | 473 c89 (Link to this contribution) I agree that that paragraph is balanced, but I would suggest that any reading of the report—and I ha...

Justine Greening | 473 c89 (Link to this contribution) I can certainly tell the hon. Gentleman what is happening at East Putney station. From what I can ma...

Louise Ellman | 473 c85-6 (Link to this contribution) I wish to record the apologies of my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody), ...

Norman Baker | 473 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) The original PPP contract with Metronet was clearly very flawed, and the contract with Tube Lines ca...

Norman Baker | 473 c90 (Link to this contribution) I will not try to referee the contest on the Labour Benches. I agree that it is not necessarily poss...

Nick Raynsford | 473 c90 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for having to intervene in the hon. Gentleman's speech, but I think I should put the rec...

Norman Baker | 473 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) That might well be so. It is difficult to interpret the position differently. But if that was the wa...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c90 (Link to this contribution) Might not the Treasury have been trying to find a way of imposing the scheme and the legal advice en...

Justine Greening | 473 c92 (Link to this contribution) I thought it was only me on that tube train that day nearly having my eardrums perforated, but the h...

Harry Cohen | 473 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Transport Committee on its important report and my hon. Friend the Member for Liv...

Stephen Hammond | 473 c92 (Link to this contribution) I wonder, therefore, whom the hon. Gentleman blames for the writing of that contract. In his view, t...

Harry Cohen | 473 c92 (Link to this contribution) That is proof of what I say. I feel sorry for the London commuters who have to put up with that expe...

Harry Cohen | 473 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) They are certainly culpable in a number of respects, and they sign off the contract at the end of th...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 473 c114 (Link to this contribution) I shall discuss the way forward, but I wish to emphasise that the Government are determined to learn...

Louise Ellman | 473 c87 (Link to this contribution) I can assure my right hon. Friend that the Committee's evidence did not indicate a parallel between ...

Subjects

Costs

Fares

Finance

London Underground

Public private partnerships

Underground railways

Transport for London

Metronet

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