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Business of the House (Lisbon Treaty) (No. 8)

Debate on Monday, 3 March 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Jim Murphy. The answering member was Mark Francois.
Debate on a business motion regarding consideration of the Treaty of Lisbon. Agreed on division (276 to 198).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
472 c1454-71 
Session
2007-08
Department
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Procedure
Timetabling of bills
Business motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Treaty of Lisbon amending the Treaty establishing the European Union and the Treaty establishing the European Community, including the Protocols and Final Act with Declarations. (Lisbon 2007).
Monday, 17 December 2007
Command papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Deben | 472 c1467 (Link to this contribution) The Government must think again. There is no doubt that there is much in the Lisbon treaty to debate...
David Drew | 472 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution) Views on the EU and the Lisbon treaty transcend the party political spectrum. There are a number of ...

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Lord Lilley | 472 c1467 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. In compensation for breaking a solemn manifesto pledge to hold a referendum, the G...
Ed Davey | 472 c1466-7 (Link to this contribution) I strongly agree with the right hon. and learned Gentleman. We often go through a charade and preten...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 472 c1466 (Link to this contribution) I have long believed that, if we are to have timetabling, which apparently now applies to all Bills,...
Ed Davey | 472 c1466 (Link to this contribution) I do not often agree with the hon. Member for Rayleigh (Mr. Francois), or the hon. Member for Crewe ...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak very briefly. We should be quite clear about what is happening here. This legislation ...
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 472 c1465 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may be making a powerful case, but it is also a completely pointless case. Unaccu...
Mark Francois | 472 c1465 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is of course entitled to her view, but if we had had an opportunity to debate a number...
William Cash | 472 c1465 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will recall that on 20 June, the deceitful manner in which this process has been cond...
Mark Francois | 472 c1465 (Link to this contribution) Again, my hon. Friend is entirely right, and I suspect that he will return to that point briefly lat...
Mark Francois | 472 c1465 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely right. In days of yore, there use to be an offence of breach of promise, ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1461 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has scrutinised the treaty in detail, and as usual he has made an important point. Th...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 472 c1461 (Link to this contribution) This is yet another motion that slightly amends the timetable. Although my hon. Friend has acknowled...
Mark Francois | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) As an ex-Whip, I have learned never to comment in the Chamber on any discussions through the usual c...
Lord Deben | 472 c1460 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend point out that some of us want a debate on defence in order to show that the tre...
Speaker | 472 c1460 (Link to this contribution) Order. The debate is going wide of the business motion.
Mark Francois | 472 c1460-1 (Link to this contribution) As has been said, we really did want that extra day on defence. It has emerged that we have the res...
James Clappison | 472 c1461 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the Foreign Affairs Committee's analysis of the defence provisions of t...
Mark Francois | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the gentle wave. I am not accustomed to that from the hon. Lady, but I will take i...
Richard Shepherd | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend note, too, that a day is not a day in the sense that the public outside understa...
Mark Francois | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, who has, as usual, followed these debates very closely, makes a powerful point. I re...
Mark Francois | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) I will, but only briefly because I sense that other Members want to speak.
Mark Harper | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Is it not worse than he suggests, because not only have al...
Speaker | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) I think that that is for the editors of Hansard to work out for themselves.
Lord Deben | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Could you explain to Hansard how to put down in the record ...
Speaker | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the editors of Hansard will be very grateful for those remarks.
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1464 (Link to this contribution) Could I just explain that I was waving genteelly in the direction of the hon. Member for Rayleigh (M...
Mark Francois | 472 c1462-3 (Link to this contribution) We will continue the discussion in the Tea Room, but my hon. Friend is entirely right. On day seven...
Lord Deben | 472 c1463 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend be careful not to allow the Government to get away with the idea that they have ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way—[Laughter.] I am well aware of Mr. Giscard d'Estaing's comment...
Speaker | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman, too, address the motion under debate?
Mark Francois | 472 c1463 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady. We have not laid down at all—we opposed the Government's motion and voted aga...
Mark Francois | 472 c1463 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has made a pertinent point, which I wish to reinforce. It is even worse when th...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1463 (Link to this contribution) In view of the unequivocal views quoted by the hon. Gentleman, can he explain why his Front Benchers...
Speaker | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) Order. That intervention was very wide of the motion under discussion. We are talking about the busi...
Nicholas Winterton | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that my hon. Friend should be concerned about his career—he should be concerned about ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1462 (Link to this contribution) I shall do so only briefly, because I would like to move on to a related point.
Baroness Stuart of Edgbaston | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with the Minister when he says that all of us know our constituencies better than...
Mark Pritchard | 472 c1455-6 (Link to this contribution) I know that the Minister always likes to be transparent with the House: when he said that one in six...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows his constituency better than I do, and I hope that he would accept that all...
Lord Lilley | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) If the turnout in local elections in the Minister's and other constituencies falls below that achiev...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) The place to make decisions is in this Chamber, not in a crane in the sky above London. This Chamber...
William Cash | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that, when he mentions the Nice, Maastricht and Amsterdam treaties, he ignor...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) No, the mandate is clear, and has been clear on each day of the debate. Every Government of the Euro...
Speaker | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are now at the stage of debating the issues, which is not what this motion is about.
Jim Murphy | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for your encouragement.
Jim Murphy | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) In my constituency, fewer than one in six of the electorate voted for a referendum. The timetable se...
Nicholas Winterton | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) In the light of the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Castle Point (Bob Spink)—that an ove...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) May I say to my hon. Friend the Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mrs. Dunwoody) that our affection for...
Bob Spink | 472 c1454 (Link to this contribution) Following this weekend's astounding referendum results, does the Minister not believe that it is now...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1454-5 (Link to this contribution) We are not tempted by that approach. I cannot congratulate the hon. Gentleman in the same way as I e...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1454 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Order of 28th January be further amended as follows—""(1) in paragraph (1) f...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) I am always impressed with the Minister's tact and charm. I have tabled an amendment for Wednesday, ...
Speaker | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is a matter for the Chairman of Ways and Means.
Mark Harper | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the Minister was going to say that I had a different view about the timing. I had sai...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1455 (Link to this contribution) The business of the House motion guarantees a certain number of hours of debate, as the hon. Gentlem...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Speaker, I know that you will accept that I am simply responding to the interventions that I tak...
Lord Deben | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) But does not the Minister understand how difficult he is making things, even for those of us who sup...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) I hope that it does not unsettle the right hon. Gentleman if I disagree with him. Where there is an ...
Speaker | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) Order. We have to get back to the business of the House motion.
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 472 c1457-8 (Link to this contribution) The Minister always makes comparisons with treaties that were much shorter and much less controversi...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) Of course, on these issues of substance and on some of the policy issues that relate to Europe, I fi...
James Clappison | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) So that we can determine how much time will be required and given what the Minister has said about w...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) The total number of days available for the House to discuss the Lisbon treaty and the Bill to enact ...
David Drew | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that a fundamentally different situation now faces us in that, if the des...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) As I am against holding one referendum, it will hardly come as a surprise to my hon. Friend to learn...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) I accept that it is probably the last in this debate; I have only one paragraph left of my comments ...
Bob Spink | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, and I promise him that this will be the last time that I intervene on...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) I will not hold the hon. Gentleman to his assertion that that was the last time that he will interve...
Speaker | 472 c1456 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is beyond the scope of the business motion.
Jim Murphy | 472 c1457 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I shall return to the business motion.
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1459 (Link to this contribution) May I upset my hon. Friend once more?
Mark Francois | 472 c1458-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. My point is directly about the motion, Mr. Speaker. The Ministe...
Mark Francois | 472 c1459-60 (Link to this contribution) The Minister referred to the previous business of the House motion, so I shall do so too, if I may. ...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1459 (Link to this contribution) I shall conclude my remarks—my one paragraph. We have varied the motion on six occasions. On each of...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1459 (Link to this contribution) Of course the procedure was recommended by the Government, but it was decided on by the House, which...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 472 c1459 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my hon. Friend will make it clear that it was the Government who proposed the procedure:...
Mark Francois | 472 c1460 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a powerful point. In the run-up to these debates, the Government repeatedly ...
William Cash | 472 c1460 (Link to this contribution) As the amendments relating to defence were tabled in my name, I concur with my hon. Friend the Membe...
Speaker | 472 c1458 (Link to this contribution) I know that it will be; I am trying to tell the Minister that we have to get back to the motion.
Jim Murphy | 472 c1459 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes his point in his own way. The fact is that the Conservatives tabled a subst...
Subjects
European Union
Parliamentary procedure
Parliamentary scrutiny
Treaties
Treaty of Lisbon
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