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European Union (Amendment) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Wednesday, 30 January 2008, in the House of Commons.
European Union (Amendment) Bill. Committee stage second day. Amendment 204 negatived on division (159 to 351).
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Parliamentary proceeding
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471 c409-38 
Session
2007-08
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Foreign and Commonwealth Office
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Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
European Union (Amendment) Bill. (Explanatory note Bill 48-EN published).
Monday, 17 December 2007
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House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Mark Francois | 471 c412 (Link to this contribution) On that point I give way to the hon. Gentleman. We are both veterans of Finance Bill debates, so I a...
Rob Marris | 471 c412 (Link to this contribution) I may surprise the hon. Gentleman on this occasion by not reading out part of a document. The argume...

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Mark Francois | 471 c412 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that I have a lot of time for him, and I have to tell him that there would ...
Mark Francois | 471 c411 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the federalist wing.
Martin Horwood | 471 c411 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman seems to be making an argument that energy policy was present in the previous tre...
Mark Francois | 471 c411 (Link to this contribution) I understand that in energy market liberalisation the Commission has mainly relied on article 95 of ...
Mark Francois | 471 c410-1 (Link to this contribution) I will touch on that shortly. In the earlier debate, Opposition Members repeatedly challenged the Go...
Mark Hendrick | 471 c409-10 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman believes in a European single market and in European energy markets, why shoul...
Mark Francois | 471 c410 (Link to this contribution) The simple answer is that the powers already exist in the current treaty base to allow that market t...
Mark Francois | 471 c409 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 204 would remove energy from the list of the European Union's shared competences as se...
Mark Francois | 471 c409 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 204, page 1, line 12, after 'excluding', insert—
Peter Bone | 471 c410 (Link to this contribution) The Government have told us in Committee after Committee in this House that the liberalisation of Eu...
Mark Francois | 471 c413 (Link to this contribution) The Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee asked whether we agreed with ““any measures””, and tha...
Mark Francois | 471 c412 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little progress, because other hon. Members wish to speak and we only have an h...
Mark Hendrick | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) Energy is not only a green issue now; Stern showed that it is an economic issue as well. Now, becaus...
Mike Gapes | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) No, that is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. My argument is that because there are divis...
Peter Bone | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) Do I understand the hon. Gentleman's argument correctly: because Germany and Poland disagreed on an ...
Mike Gapes | 471 c413-4 (Link to this contribution) I wish to make a few points about the importance of an EU-co-ordinated European energy approach. The...
Mike Gapes | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) And nor do I. When Baroness Thatcher was signing up to the Single European Act, which did more to sc...
Nigel Evans | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's argument this evening is an argument for scrapping the borders around 27 countr...
Mike Gapes | 471 c414 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The EU united with a common voice can stand up to Russia and say...
Jim Murphy | 471 c433 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. The Opposition amendment invites the House to believe that every Gover...
Mark Francois | 471 c433-4 (Link to this contribution) I have three minutes in which to speak, so may I briefly make a point about time? We have only one a...
Jim Murphy | 471 c432 (Link to this contribution) I would never seek to do such a thing, either implicitly or explicitly, in the hon. Gentleman's pres...
William Cash | 471 c432 (Link to this contribution) The Minister omitted the following words, which go to the heart of the point I raised with the Secre...
Martin Horwood | 471 c433 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister wants a concrete example of the expression of solidarity, he has only to look to wha...
Jim Murphy | 471 c433 (Link to this contribution) What I am talking about is structured solidarity that ensures that the EU can provide support at a t...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c433 (Link to this contribution) Of course we believe in a generalised sense of solidarity. The Minister gave a good description of t...
Jim Murphy | 471 c432-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is fair enough to acknowledge that. Many Conservative Members now repudiate that ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c430 (Link to this contribution) That is not an issue for the debate on the amendments but, as I said earlier in the week during our ...
William Cash | 471 c430 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The point that my hon. Friend the Member for Wellingborou...
Peter Bone | 471 c430 (Link to this contribution) I have sat here in the Committee for two days, but I have been unable to speak because of the short ...
Lord Lilley | 471 c431 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm my point that qualified majority voting would still apply to decisions abo...
Jim Murphy | 471 c431 (Link to this contribution) The point about QMV in energy is that the new article should make it easier to deliver the effective...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 471 c430 (Link to this contribution) That is not a point of order for the Chair and it is certainly outside the scope of our debate on th...
Jim Murphy | 471 c430-1 (Link to this contribution) These amendments would exclude the provisions in the Lisbon treaty that define the competence on ene...
Jim Murphy | 471 c432 (Link to this contribution) Article 176 is very clear. It states:"““Such measures shall not affect a Member State's right to det...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c431 (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect, the Minister did not answer yes or no to a very plain yes or no question ...
Lord Lilley | 471 c427 (Link to this contribution) It has changed considerably—about Europe, though I hope not about me. The right hon. Member for Lei...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c427 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman and fellow former Secretary of State for Trade and Industr...
Lord Lilley | 471 c427 (Link to this contribution) So the right hon. Lady argues that we should give the EU powers because we do not think that they wi...
Kelvin Hopkins | 471 c427 (Link to this contribution) As a former Minister, the right hon. Gentleman will recall that civil servants always insist that wh...
Lord Lilley | 471 c427-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. It has been suggested that the treaty contains protections, where QMV ...
Michael Connarty | 471 c428-9 (Link to this contribution) First, I apologise to the hon. Member for Rayleigh for not supporting him this evening. He was very ...
Jim Murphy | 471 c429-30 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to respond to the debate on the amendments. It was led—pretty gracefully, I thought—b...
Michael Connarty | 471 c429 (Link to this contribution) I have only one minute left, so I cannot. We drove that proposal out and now we have the arrangemen...
Lord Lilley | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) That is true and my hon. Friend makes a good point. However, I was trying to focus on interruption i...
Lord Lilley | 471 c425-6 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to reply to that point because I have some experience relating to it. If a foreign-contro...
Philip Hollobone | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an excellent point, but member states do not need to be in the European U...
Kelvin Hopkins | 471 c425 (Link to this contribution) I thank my constituency neighbour for giving way. He is talking about security of energy supply, and...
Lord Lilley | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) I confess that I had forgotten that, although I participated in the referendum. I campaigned ardentl...
Bernard Jenkin | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend recall that the potential of the then Common Market to take over our oil w...
Lord Lilley | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) I shall do so in a moment after making a little further progress, when the right hon. Lady, as a fel...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c426 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Richard Shepherd | 471 c422 (Link to this contribution) The words are used so loosely and beyond our understanding, as was so eloquently explained by the ho...
Stuart Bell | 471 c422 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman; he will remember that 5 minutes to 10 one evening, I compared h...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 471 c422 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps we can now come back to the issue of energy.
Stuart Bell | 471 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) Sir Michael, the quote is perfectly relevant to the point made by the hon. Member for Aldridge-Brown...
Lord Lilley | 471 c425 (Link to this contribution) I agree. The one change that this treaty makes is to reduce the liberalisation, not through the clau...
Stuart Bell | 471 c423-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows full well that the German border is close to Russia, with Poland in between. As...
Kelvin Hopkins | 471 c423 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend not concerned that the Germans have been doing quiet deals with the Russians to ma...
David Drew | 471 c424 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that, while we may have that liberalising agenda—over which some...
Lord Lilley | 471 c424 (Link to this contribution) I bring the Committee's attention to my interests as declared in the Register. However, I shall draw...
Stuart Bell | 471 c420 (Link to this contribution) That is the essence of the interconnector. When my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford, South spoke of...
Rob Marris | 471 c419-20 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the intervention of the hon. Member for Altrincham and Sale, West (Mr...
Stuart Bell | 471 c419 (Link to this contribution) We must get away from seeing Gazprom as a huge bogey man or bear on the international gas and oil ma...
Stuart Bell | 471 c420-1 (Link to this contribution) I wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning and pray that someone in a debate such as this will mention No...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c421 (Link to this contribution) A gentle question: is it justiciable?
Nigel Evans | 471 c420 (Link to this contribution) Does Norway want to cut itself off from the rest of the world? Does Switzerland? That is a useless a...
Stuart Bell | 471 c422 (Link to this contribution) Next time I will bring my wig and my gown, and we can have a proper debate on that issue. What the h...
Stuart Bell | 471 c421-2 (Link to this contribution) The second dream that I have at 4 o'clock in the morning is that someone from the Opposition Benches...
Richard Shepherd | 471 c422 (Link to this contribution) That must mean that the judgment in such cases is beyond the call of the British people. That is an ...
Martin Horwood | 471 c417 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for that clarification of the principle of subsidiarity, which ...
Patricia Hewitt | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) May I add to the hon. Gentleman's response to the hon. Member for Rayleigh (Mr. Francois)? The point...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 471 c417 (Link to this contribution) Order. We cannot have continued interruptions from a sedentary position. It disrupts the debate and ...
Martin Horwood | 471 c417-8 (Link to this contribution) As I was saying, the amendments tabled by those on the Conservative Front Bench are indistinguishabl...
Martin Horwood | 471 c418 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Wellingborough (Mr. Bone) says that that would be excellent, but I am not sure t...
Martin Horwood | 471 c418 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right: we should let the people decide on such a matter, but to bring that abo...
Stuart Bell | 471 c418-9 (Link to this contribution) I begin by apologising to the hon. Member for Rayleigh (Mr. Francois) for missing his opening remark...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 471 c419 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the case that the hon. Gentleman has just made, but does he agree that, in curren...
Martin Horwood | 471 c414-5 (Link to this contribution) It is good to serve under your chairmanship, Sir Michael, and rewarding to see the House of Commons ...
Mark Francois | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) On the shared competences, member states can continue to legislate in those areas if the EU decides ...
Martin Horwood | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) I would not mind getting on to the amendments—[Interruption.]
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) Order. If hon. Members are attempting to give way, it would be helpful if they indicated clearly—yes...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) Given that the words and provisions of the treaty do matter, especially as we are discussing them in...
Martin Horwood | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) There is a common misunderstanding on the Conservative Benches that shared competences mean European...
James Clappison | 471 c415 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can serve as a substitute for the Back Benchers that the hon. Gentleman does not have. Doe...
Martin Horwood | 471 c415-6 (Link to this contribution) That is not for me to answer. The hon. Gentleman should ask the Minister. [Interruption.] I have no ...
Martin Horwood | 471 c416 (Link to this contribution) The situation with qualified majority voting is not fundamentally changing—[Interruption.] There is,...
Simon Hughes | 471 c408 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am sure you are aware that among the remaining orders and...
Speaker | 471 c408 (Link to this contribution) It is not in order for the hon. Gentleman to proceed as he suggests, so I suggest that we now get on...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 471 c409 (Link to this contribution) With this, it will be convenient to take the following amendments: No. 152, page 1, line 12, after ...
Mike Gapes | 471 c412-3 (Link to this contribution) And it was a very good speech. The hon. Gentleman referred to the importance of energy security. Doe...
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