Statistics and Registration Service Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 20 to 26 agreed to. Clause 27 agreed to as amended. Schedule 1 agreed to.
Statistics and Registration Service Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 2 May 2007,
in the House of Lords.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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691 c1128-52 
Session
2006-07
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Statistics and Registration Service Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 53-EN also published.
Wednesday, 14 March 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Wednesday, 14 March 2007
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Lord Newby | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 146:
146: Clause 27, page 12, line 18, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
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Lord Newby | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 141:
141: Clause 27, page 12, line 8, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer”...
Lord Newby | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 143:
143: Clause 27, page 12, line 12, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Lord Newby | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 136:
136: Clause 27, page 11, line 40, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Lord Newby | 691 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 139:
139: Clause 27, page 12, line 5, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer”...
Lord Newby | 691 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lordfor bringing forward this amendment. At Second Reading and in Committ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 691 c1140-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved AmendmentNo. 124A:
124A: After Clause 26, insert the following new Clause—
““Location
(1) Th...
Lord Newby | 691 c1140 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for that reply. He was doing all right until he suggested that Pa...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 691 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I did not find that a very satisfactory answer. I hope that before Report my noble ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1144-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend for this amendment, which has triggered an interesting and importan...
Viscount Eccles | 691 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may briefly refer to cultural change. The noble Lord, Lord Newby, raised this issue at Sec...
Lord Northbrook | 691 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lea. The Government should listen very ...
Lord Newby | 691 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 120:
120: Clause 25, page 10, line 39, leave out ““as soon as possible thereaf...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution)
As we have heard, Amendment No. 120 would require any report produced under Clause 25 to be publishe...
Lord Newby | 691 c1148 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 134:
134: Clause 27, page 11, line 33, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Lord Newby | 691 c1148 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 132:
132: Clause 27, page 11, line 31, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 691 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
I echo the last point of my noble friend about the power of direction standing as a very real threat...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 135:
135: Clause 27, page 11, line 36, leave out ““in writing”” and insert ““b...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution)
I assure the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, that the clause is as far removed from the day-to-day operatio...
Lord Newby | 691 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution)
On the face of it, the clause is pretty draconian. The definition of a ““serious failure”” could be ...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
We asked the Minister for examples and he gave us none. We asked him to explain why Clause 4 did not...
Lord Newby | 691 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 126:
126: Clause 27, page 11, line 6, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer”...
Lord Newby | 691 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 128:
128: Clause 27, page 11, line 17, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Lord Newby | 691 c1148 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 130:
130: Clause 27, page 11, line 24, leave out ““Chancellor of the Exchequer...
Earl of Northesk | 691 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. I am reasonably content.
Clause 24 agreed to.
Clause 25 [Repor...
Lord Howard of Rising | 691 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
moved AmendmentNo. 116:
116: Clause 25, page 10, line 25, at end insert—
““( ) The report under su...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend decides what to do with his Motion, will the Minister explain a little more a...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
I shall say two things. First, I will go back to the point that this is a non-executive board compos...
Earl of Northesk | 691 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will, I hope, be relieved to hear that my purpose in initiating a clause stand part deb...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1134-5 (Link to this contribution)
As the noble Earl said, this is a probing Motion. The purpose of a clause of this nature is to give ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the noble Lord says. Of course it would have helped to have the benefit of a contributio...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Jenkin for reflecting the conversations that he has had with t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1132-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that the right to access is through the Cabinet Secretary as head of the Civil Service....
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 691 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, have discussed the matter with the noble Lord, Lord Moser, and I do not believe that he ever...
Lord Howard of Rising | 691 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that valuable information and for confirming that the report will be laid b...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know the answer. I shall write to the noble Baroness. I agree with her that it is inconceiv...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
I am concerned about many points in this Bill and I shall seek assurances on many aspects. I am grat...
Lord Howard of Rising | 691 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
moved AmendmentNo. 118:
118: Clause 25, page 10, line 27, at beginning insert ““both Houses of””
...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1138-9 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments relate to the board's duties to prepare reports. The reports under Clause 25 are re...
Lord Howard of Rising | 691 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. The board has not a function but a duty. There cannot be much wrong with askin...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 691 c1137-8 (Link to this contribution)
As we have heard, Amendment No. 169 would require the board to establish a committee consisting of n...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that comprehensive response. However, he has not explained why in some Bill...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 26 obliges the board to have regard to efficiency and cost-effectiveness when deciding on the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
Only within the framework of the government rules and regulations that cover departments. It is the ...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the Minister’s response. He said that the board was no different from any other bo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
The services that the ONS currently provides—that is, providing information and advice and undertaki...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
Is it possible for the Statistics Board to do pro bono work under the Bill?
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1128 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 106:
106: Clause 20, page 9, line 25, at end insert—
““( ) The Board shall cha...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is contradicting what his honourable friend the Financial Secretary said in another pla...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
I do not have a note on that point, but I am indicating that the current National Statistician does ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
The rules set out certain areas where charges are obligatory for what the Government provide. Howeve...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
I regard the Minister’s response as somewhat unsatisfactory. We are told that the board is to be ind...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness is quite right that the board has a five-year settlement. She will also recognise...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1130 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for offering to write, and welcome that. He will be aware that I was not so muc...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1130-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 113:
113: Before Clause 24, insert the following new Clause—
““Access to the P...
Lord Newby | 691 c1131 (Link to this contribution)
It does not matter to us whereabouts the sentiments behind the amendments in this group might find t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 691 c1131-2 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, regret that the noble Lord, Lord Moser, is not here to argue this case with even greater for...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have considerable sympathy with the amendment. We have debated several times the issue of relocat...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 117:
117: Clause 25, page 10, line 25, at end insert—
““( ) The report under s...
Baroness Noakes | 691 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want there to be any lack of clarity. The amendment has nothing to do with the amendments t...
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