Commons Bill (HL). Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third reading agreed to on division (251 to 102). Money resolution agreed to on question (formal).
Commons Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 18 April 2006,
in the House of Commons,
led by Elliot Morley.
The answering
member was James Paice.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
445 c39-94 
Session
2005-06
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Commons Bill (HL). Brought from the Lords. Explanatory Notes Bill 115-EN also published.
Thursday, 19 January 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 19 January 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Madeleine Moon | 445 c72-6 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman, but I remain concerned that, in Wales, the target is to have 100 per cen...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c76-9 (Link to this contribution)
Several speakers have referred to consensus across the House. There is indeed a large degree of cons...
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Madeleine Moon | 445 c79 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to advise the hon. Gentleman that Kenfig is a prime example of a place where grazing rights c...
David Drew | 445 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My problem is the distinction between grazing rights, whose holders will presumably be active member...
Philip Dunne | 445 c71-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is very difficult to say what farming activity should take place in areas where it is no longer e...
Madeleine Moon | 445 c72 (Link to this contribution)
As many speakers have said, this Bill is a historic piece of legislation, linking us with the Norman...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c72 (Link to this contribution)
May I suggest an answer to that conundrum? Much land in England has fallen out of agricultural use, ...
David Leslie Taylor | 445 c67 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not possible that trying to widen the scope of those whose views must be sought might run dire...
Philip Dunne | 445 c68-71 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the House of my declaration of interests. I am a partner in a farming business that holds m...
David Drew | 445 c67-8 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. That is why we need a properly democratically accountable body that can look out for such i...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 445 c88-91 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all Members who have taken part in this constructive debate on an important, yet somewhat te...
Bill Wiggin | 445 c84-6 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister for Climate Change and the Environment opened the debate with his definition of common ...
Roger Williams | 445 c86 (Link to this contribution)
Will the repeal of the Law of Property Act 1925, which, as far as I understand it, precludes motor v...
Dan Rogerson | 445 c81-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to be called to speak in the debate. It is always unfortunate to be called late, when...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c80-1 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise. No doubt, as a community councillor, she will find her way in there somehow or other.
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James Paice | 445 c80 (Link to this contribution)
You forgot Lynda Snell.
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c79-80 (Link to this contribution)
I am very much heartened by what the hon. Lady says, but I know of examples in my locality where the...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 445 c63 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Peter Atkinson | 445 c63-4 (Link to this contribution)
Of course he has. The official who wrote the explanatory memorandum deserves credit, as it is a clea...
David Drew | 445 c65 (Link to this contribution)
I will not go down that path, Madam Deputy Speaker, although I am sure it would be interesting. I wi...
David Drew | 445 c65-7 (Link to this contribution)
I understand what the hon. Gentleman is saying. I am merely saying that there should be more common ...
Roger Williams | 445 c65 (Link to this contribution)
: Although I supported the Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000, I saw no evidence that access to ...
David Drew | 445 c64-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to take part in the debate on Second Reading. I congratulate the hon. Member for Hexh...
David Leslie Taylor | 445 c65 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not somewhat ironic that those peers of bygone times have been replaced by peers of modern tim...
David Drew | 445 c65 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that my hon. Friend has something enthusiastic to say.
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c56 (Link to this contribution)
I agree entirely with the hon. Gentleman’s comments and I appeared many times in tribunals. The main...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c61 (Link to this contribution)
: I wonder why the hon. Gentleman has left out rights of pescary.
Peter Atkinson | 445 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the hon. Gentleman says. No doubt his constituents will read about his remarks in their ...
Paul Truswell | 445 c61 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman uses loaded words such as ““obstruct””, but the people of Yeadon Banks and their ...
Peter Atkinson | 445 c60-1 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to say to the hon. Member for Pudsey (Mr. Truswell) that one of the problems involved ...
Paul Truswell | 445 c58-60 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that Second Reading debates are supposed to take a panoramic view of proposed legislati...
Roger Williams | 445 c58 (Link to this contribution)
I allowed six years to achieve the registration—I believed that that was a reasonable time. However,...
Bill Wiggin | 445 c58 (Link to this contribution)
Forty-one years.
Roger Williams | 445 c56-8 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. As the hon. Gentleman says, the main difficulty was to rectify mistakes. That was a complain...
Peter Atkinson | 445 c61-3 (Link to this contribution)
That was remiss of me. That subject could also have taken up a fair amount of time in Committee. The...
Justine Greening | 445 c51 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has made a valid point, as a labyrinth of legal measures surrounds the issue. Put...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c50-1 (Link to this contribution)
It is already clear that we are talking about an area of the law and of policy that is archaic, high...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c51 (Link to this contribution)
: I agree, but is the hon. Gentleman surprised that the programme motion says that proceedings on th...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c51 (Link to this contribution)
Let me make a confession. I am not sure that I understand all the Bill’s ramifications, but I have l...
David Drew | 445 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has discussed the wonderful notion of devolution to the appropriate authority, which ...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c51-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am surprised but, as I hope to serve in Committee, I am pleased as well. I am confident that a ran...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c54 (Link to this contribution)
: I think that I can help the hon. Gentleman. A court would have an inherent power to apply a fine a...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c54 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly agree with that. I believe that the local environment is extremely important to local pe...
Roger Williams | 445 c55-6 (Link to this contribution)
At this stage in a debate on agricultural matters, I usually draw the House’s attention to my entry ...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c54-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that advice and look forward to the Minister making the Government’s position clea...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c43 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend talks about support for the new associations. How will he gauge that support? Will th...
John Bercow | 445 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Will the regulations provided for in clause 3(5) appertaining to the register of common land be subj...
Elliot Morley | 445 c40-1 (Link to this contribution)
I will deal with those details later in my speech.
I do not need to tell the House that protecting ...
Elliot Morley | 445 c39-40 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
The Bill will provide for the better manage...
Tom Levitt | 445 c41-2 (Link to this contribution)
I support the principle of the Bill, but I should like my hon. Friend to clarify one aspect of the r...
Elliot Morley | 445 c42-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand my hon. Friend’s point. It is possible that people will use the Bill’s provisions to fr...
Elfyn Llwyd | 445 c41 (Link to this contribution)
As one who used to practise in this area of law, I agree with the Minister that the 1965 Act was fla...
Elliot Morley | 445 c41 (Link to this contribution)
The Government accept that there may be financial implications, and we are prepared to put money int...
Peter Atkinson | 445 c43 (Link to this contribution)
In the case of a large upland common in which most interest was from those with common rights, does ...
Elliot Morley | 445 c43 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I have met the odd difficult farmer, so I know what my hon. Friend is talking about. We will be...
James Paice | 445 c45-50 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister said, this Bill has already been given the technical scrutiny that we expect of the ...
Elliot Morley | 445 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure that there is a conflict. My hon. Friend asks an important question, although the date...
Paddy Tipping | 445 c45 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has just reaffirmed that the Bill provides that people can apply to the county court ...
Elliot Morley | 445 c44-5 (Link to this contribution)
They are important issues. Generally speaking, we would expect the associations to be elected so tha...
David Drew | 445 c44 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend envisaging some democratic representation on commons associations? Parish councils...
Elliot Morley | 445 c43-4 (Link to this contribution)
Few commons are in the higher level scheme, although there are one or two. There are few commons in ...
Elliot Morley | 445 c43 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously, I would expect people with a direct involvement in a common to have a majority, but there...
Bill Wiggin | 445 c86-8 (Link to this contribution)
Most of the issues to do with off-roading are covered by the Natural Environment and Rural Communiti...
Bill Wiggin | 445 c43 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister say a little more about the higher level stewardship scheme that he mentioned a fe...
Speaker | 445 c65 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman might want to rethink what he has just said.
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