Children and Adoption Bill [HL]
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
674 c125-80GC
Session
2005-06
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Children and Adoption Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 10-EN also published
Monday, 13 June 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Monday, 13 June 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Adonis | 674 c176GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 138:"Page 14, line 30, after ““adoption)”” insert ““, or corresponding functions...
Earl of Listowel | 674 c172GC (Link to this contribution)
I was very concerned to hear from the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, that there are no clear guideline...
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Lord Adonis | 674 c175-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I fully accept that, but it is none the less a cost. It is £300,000. The question is whether, for Go...
Lord Adonis | 674 c168GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 129:"Page 12, line 41, leave out ““has been, or””"
On Question, amendment agree...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c159-61GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 123:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—"
““PILOT SCHEME ON EA...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c154-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to Amendment No. 124A, which should be read with Amendments Nos. 11, 12 and 13, whic...
Lord Adonis | 674 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 112:"Page 9, line 33, leave out from ““unless”” to end of line 34 and insert ““i...
Lord Adonis | 674 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Earl will be reassured to hear that balancing of rights and responsibilities remains absol...
Lord Adonis | 674 c129GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 80 and 81:"Page 6, line 27, after ““condition”” insert ““under section 11(7)(b...
Lord Adonis | 674 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
In speaking to Amendment No. 72, I shall speak also to Amendments Nos. 83, 101, 112 and 121 which de...
Lord Adonis | 674 c137-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may deal with each of my noble friend’s amendments in turn. I believe that I can offer her...
Lord Adonis | 674 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness need not apologise for raising this issue. The welfare of children taken out of t...
Earl Howe | 674 c176GC (Link to this contribution)
It is very difficult to argue with what the Minister has said because the Government are in the busi...
Baroness Barker | 674 c176-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 139:"Page 14, line 30, at end insert—"
““( ) In section 85 of the Adoption...
Lord Adonis | 674 c168GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 130:"Page 13, line 44, leave out ““or prospective adoptions””"
The noble Lord s...
Baroness Barker | 674 c173GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that answer. I will come back to him when I have read what he said. I beg l...
Baroness Barker | 674 c175GC (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister accept that we are talking about the equivalent of the cost of 10 children in resi...
Baroness Barker | 674 c170-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 137A:"Page 14, line 16, at end insert—"
““( ) No fee shall be payable to t...
Lord Adonis | 674 c169-70GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 131 to 137:"Page 14, line 3, leave out ““or prospective adopters””""Page 14, l...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank Members of the Committee for their support and the Minister for his detailed reply. I shall ...
Lord Adonis | 674 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 125:"Page 11, line 8, after ““may”” insert ““by order””"
The noble Lord said: I...
Earl of Listowel | 674 c164GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, for bringing forward the amendment. Some years ago I heard ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c159GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall look forward to telling my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern that his 1996 f...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 674 c162GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene regarding alternative dispute resolution, because we would be in error if we...
Lord Adonis | 674 c156-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Because we do not agree with it. We believe that it sets up a countervailing set of assumptions to t...
Lord Adonis | 674 c158-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness withdraws the amendment, I should perhaps clarify a remark that I made ear...
Lord Adonis | 674 c151-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 121:"Page 10, leave out lines 25 to 28 and insert—"
““(1) This section appli...
Lord Adonis | 674 c151GC (Link to this contribution)
I entirely note what my noble friend says.
Lord Adonis | 674 c156GC (Link to this contribution)
I will of course treat very seriously what the noble Baronesses have said, as they would rightly exp...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c150GC (Link to this contribution)
I should like to pick up on the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth, about who will supervi...
Lord Adonis | 674 c125-6GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness raises an important point. We need to look further at this and we shall be happy ...
Baroness Barker | 674 c125GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 71:"Page 6, line 5, at end insert—"
““(2) The court shall ensure that the no...
Earl Howe | 674 c129-31GC (Link to this contribution)
I very much support the sentiments behind the amendment. It is not my desire to pour cold water on t...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c134GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. We will come to more issues about safety and domestic violence when we come to...
Lord Adonis | 674 c134GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 83:"Page 7, leave out lines 9 and 10 and insert ““respect of a failure to comply...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 674 c129GC (Link to this contribution)
I remind Members of the Committee that, if this amendment is passed, I cannot call Amendments Nos. 7...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 674 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
The five minutes after the end of the Statement are up, so we can now continue with business.
[Amen...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 674 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord McKenzie of Luton, is now on his feet in the House. The Grand Committee therefo...
Lord Adonis | 674 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 8, line 34, leave out ““, who is a relevant party to the proceedings,”...
Viscount Allenby of Megiddo | 674 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
I have to inform the Committee that if Amendment No. 108 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments Nos....
Baroness Thornton | 674 c142GC (Link to this contribution)
Will my noble friend address the issue of equity that I raised and which has been raised in the deba...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 674 c142GC (Link to this contribution)
This always happens to me and I forget where I was.
[The Sitting was suspended for a Division in th...
Baroness Thornton | 674 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that answer. There is a small amount of satisfaction involved here, but I h...
Baroness Barker | 674 c178GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply, but I am not sure that his answer addresses the issue. I do not...
Lord Adonis | 674 c179-80GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 142 to 143:"Page 15, line 15, leave out ““This Act (except this section)”” and...
Lord Adonis | 674 c178-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 141:"Page 15, line 4, leave out from first ““instrument”” to end of line 6 and i...
Earl Howe | 674 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I should like to make several points in fairly strong terms in connection with the clause. We have h...
Lord Adonis | 674 c168GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 128:"Page 12, line 9, leave out from first ““in”” to second ““the”” and insert “...
Lord Adonis | 674 c167GC (Link to this contribution)
The fact that we have not specified detailed criteria in respect of bringing a country off the restr...
Lord Adonis | 674 c166-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 127:"Page 11, line 38, leave out ““cancel”” and insert ““by order revoke the ord...
Baroness Barker | 674 c167GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 9(1) states:"““The Secretary of State must keep under review, in relation to each restricted ...
Lord Adonis | 674 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
I believe I can supply that information.
Baroness Barker | 674 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
In the statistics the Minister will supply, will there be details of the countries in which the abdu...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 124:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—"
““REMOVAL OF CHILD F...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c156GC (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister tell the Grand Committee why?
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c152-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 122:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause-"
““PARENTING TIME PLA...
Lord Adonis | 674 c147GC (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend makes a perfectly reasonable point. It is a vexed issue why one parent should be req...
Baroness Thornton | 674 c147-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend for that response; I cannot say that it surprised me terribly much. In real ...
Earl of Listowel | 674 c148-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 115:"After Clause 5, insert the following new clause—"
““SUPERVISION OF AND...
Baroness Barker | 674 c126GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister very much for that reply. When we on these Benches penned the amendment, we mos...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 674 c125GC (Link to this contribution)
I believe that everyone is aware of the procedure in Grand Committee, but I have an announcement to ...
Lord Adonis | 674 c131-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I can answer some but not all of the noble Earl’s questions. Those I cannot answer I will write to h...
Lord Adonis | 674 c134GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness withdraws the amendment, perhaps I could make a further point for the reco...
Lord Adonis | 674 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 78:"Page 6, leave out lines 23 to 26 and insert—"
““( ) the person who is,...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c129GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 82:"Page 7, line 6, at end insert—"
““( ) In considering whether to make a...
Earl Howe | 674 c127GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 72:"Page 6, line 10, at end insert ““at any time under this Act””"
The noble Ea...
Lord Adonis | 674 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 111:"Page 9, line 23, at end insert—"
““( ) Subsection (2) has effect subj...
Lord Adonis | 674 c145GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 91 to 105:"Page 16, line 27, leave out ““, omit paragraph (c),”” and insert ““...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 674 c142GC (Link to this contribution)
The core of the matter is that this is an extremely difficult part of the Bill and it will be diffic...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 674 c141-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the noble Earl, Lord Howe, in some respects in that there will be real difficulties wit...
Viscount Allenby of Megiddo | 674 c142GC (Link to this contribution)
I have to interrupt. A Division has been called. We shall reassemble in 10 minutes’ time.
Lord Adonis | 674 c172-3GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness raised several different points, and I shall cover those that I can, although I m...
Lord Adonis | 674 c175GC (Link to this contribution)
I would never defend from the Dispatch Box measures that I regarded as ethically unacceptable. We do...
Baroness Barker | 674 c174-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Because this clause was not in the draft Bill and was not subject to consultation, I shall briefly t...
Baroness Barker | 674 c167-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for that reply and I shall study his words carefully in the Official Report. ...
Lord Adonis | 674 c166GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 126:"Page 11, line 11, after ““making”” insert ““an order containing””"
On Ques...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeathley, for that and also thank the Minister for his detailed ...
Lord Adonis | 674 c164-6GC (Link to this contribution)
In response to the noble Baroness’s point about statistics, I am told that we do have statistics and...
Lord Adonis | 674 c161-2GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has ranged much more widely than her amendment to look at the whole issue of the ...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c158GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that. Before the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, replies, perhaps I can make t...
Earl of Listowel | 674 c151GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his encouraging and helpful response, particularly bearing in mind what I h...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 674 c151GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister may expect me to respond to the issue of resources with regard to contact centres. It i...
Lord Adonis | 674 c150-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I can provide the assurance that CAFCASS will be responsible, not local authorities. As we were tryi...
Baroness Thornton | 674 c150GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very interested in my noble friend’s answer to the questions raised by the noble Earl, Lord Lis...
Baroness Thornton | 674 c146-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 113:"Page 9, line 42, at end insert—"
““11Q COMPENSATION ORDERS: NON-RESIDEN...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 674 c149-50GC (Link to this contribution)
Would I be right in assuming that when this is implemented, CAFCASS would be the organisation expect...
Earl Howe | 674 c134-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 84:"Page 7, line 13, leave out ““18”” and insert ““16””"
The noble Earl said: T...
Earl Howe | 674 c136GC (Link to this contribution)
That is a helpful reply and I shall reflect carefully on what the Minister has said. The obvious rej...
Lord Adonis | 674 c136GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 85 to 87:"Page 7, leave out lines 17 and 18.""Page 7, leave out lines 19 to 22...
Baroness Walmsley | 674 c134GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that clear explanation, which I shall read carefully in Hansard. I hope tha...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 674 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution)
In speaking to Clause 3, I shall speak also to Clauses 5, 6 and 7, and later my noble friend Lord Ho...
Earl Howe | 674 c128GC (Link to this contribution)
That is a helpful reply. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Lord Adonis | 674 c146GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 108:"Page 9, leave out lines 3 to 11 and insert—"
““(6) A person falls withi...
Lord Adonis | 674 c145GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 106:"Page 8, line 30, leave out from ““if”” to end of line 31 and insert ““a con...
Lord Adonis | 674 c142-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can deal with that last point first and give fulsome apologies to my noble friend. I did n...
Earl Howe | 674 c144-5GC (Link to this contribution)
This has been a useful short debate, and I thank everyone who has contributed to it. The noble Earl,...
Earl Howe | 674 c140-1GC (Link to this contribution)
The Government have set quite a lot of store on the provisions in this clause, so it is appropriate ...
Earl of Listowel | 674 c141GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise briefly to make, if I may, a little corrective. I know that the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has be...
Lord Adonis | 674 c139GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 89:"Page 8, line 14, at end insert—"
““( ) to report to the court if a rep...
Lord Adonis | 674 c139-40GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 90:"Page 8, line 15, after ““such”” insert ““other””"
On Question, amendment ag...
Baroness Thornton | 674 c136-7GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 87A:"Page 7, line 34, at end insert—"
““( ) the enforcement order is to th...
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