Welfare Reform Bill

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but it is a disease of politicians to assert things in that way—to make a statement and say, ““Clearly, it’s more efficient””. I do not know that it is always clearly more efficient to centralise. There are times when that can create inefficiencies because, as we know, some claimants have very complex personal circumstances, and it is very difficult to understand those without more local knowledge and without meeting people and talking them through. Could the Minister give us a bit of evidence for his assertion?