Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill

I was rightly accused by the noble Baroness, Lady Perry, of implying a differentiation in standards in FE colleges. On the other hand, we are told that we have to display them. Do we really want to do it in that way? The most important thing that we can do is to establish that the individual concerned has been through a properly validated apprenticeship programme. That is surely the most important thing that an employer would want to see. The number one thing that the certificate needs to establish is that they have been through that particular apprenticeship framework. It is appropriate that the sector skills council should be acknowledged, as they were after all the group that helped to determine the particular framework and are representative of the employers. If employers want other information about the FE college, they are quite capable of seeing that from certificates. In response to the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, you will see the name of the university on the degree, just as you will see the name on the qualifications provided by an FE college. The debate that we are now having is to do with whether we need to include all that information on the certificate. In some circumstances, as the noble Baroness, Lady Garden, identified, it would be unhelpful for this information to be there. Perhaps I misunderstood the context. I thought that the noble Baroness referred to prisons, for example, and employers that had gone out of business.