Welfare Reform Bill

We have no particular timescale in mind. I think that it will be when a personal adviser sees a benefit in moving someone straight to that role. I think that that opportunity will become apparent when we go through the pilots, and it is hoped that that will help directors in deciding whether we need to include a cut-off point, although one is not envisaged at the moment. We anticipate that "work for your benefit" could have a deterrent effect on those who may be playing the system and are not serious about looking for work. However, the programme is not intended to be a punishment; rightly, it is aimed at improving people’s chances of finding sustainable work by providing an opportunity to develop work skills and habits. "Work for your benefit" is built on existing welfare reforms and incorporates the core message of rights and responsibilities but, more importantly, it represents an excellent chance for long-term unemployed people to re-engage with the labour market. I believe that the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas, asked whether these were the right economic circumstances in which to roll out these provisions. We have learnt the lessons of the past. We need to keep people who find themselves out of work as close to the labour market as possible, regardless of economic conditions. That gives them the best chance of capitalising on recovery when it occurs. In answer to the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, all types of work experience, including voluntary work, if appropriate, can be incorporated into the arrangements. The noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, expressed concern at the fact that there may be only two pilots. To be clear, we envisage that there will be 10 to 12 pilots in respect of the progression-to-work programme, which comes under Clause 2. I hope that that has dealt with each of the points that have been raised, and I hope that, at long last, we will feel able to support Clause 1 and move on to the rest of the Bill.