Climate Change Bill [HL]

May I make an observation? Earlier, the Minister said that this Bill would not make an impact on extra civil servants or the Treasury. I have thought about that quite a lot since he made that remark. As far as I can see it is going to have a huge impact. It can only increase bureaucracy like mad. The noble Lord, Lord Lea, wanted to set up a forum to include, "““representatives from Her Majesty’s Government, employer groups, trade unions and consumer organisations””." The forum then has to produce a report—all forums produce reports— "““in relation to each budgetary period, on the impact of each sector of the economy””" and it must ““give due regard”” to increases in taxation, and so forth. That can only be an enormous increase in bureaucracy and it will not reduce an extra car, reduce a hole in the atmosphere or anything.