As the Minister mentioned it, may I say quickly that Conservative Members welcome his admission that there has been concern on clause 96. We have received representations on the matter and we look forward to seeing his amendment in due course.
On amendment No. 2, any extension of the powers of the state relative to the individual is a matter that should rightly provoke parliamentary scrutiny, particularly, as in this instance, where it potentially involves powers of arrest. Given that, my purpose this evening is to seek some specific assurances from the Minister about how the proposed new powers will operate in practice and some guarantees—I use that word deliberately—that they will not be used arbitrarily to put undue pressure on legitimate taxpayers.
The background to all this is the merger of the Inland Revenue and Customs and Excise, which was brought about by the Commissioners for Revenue and Customs Act 2005, which received Royal Assent on 7 April 2005. Before the merger which created Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, the two heritage organisations had different roles and different powers accordingly. HM Customs and Excise has historically had relatively strong powers, including powers of arrest and seizure, which evolved from its role in fighting smugglers and more latterly drug traffickers. Before the merger, those powers were based on the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, or PACE as it is more generally referred to, and specifically section 114, which conferred specialist powers on Customs and Excise officers to help to fight crime.
In contrast, the Inland Revenue was equipped with more restricted powers designed predominantly to help it to combat so-called white collar crime in areas such as financial services and the deliberate evasion of tax. Importantly, however, Inland Revenue officers did not usually have any powers of actual arrest and needed to be accompanied by a police officer if and when that became necessary.
In the spring of 2006, the Treasury initiated a consultation process on how the powers of the two heritage organisations might effectively be combined. There have now, in fairness, been three separate consultation documents relating to that process, including a second technical consultation in August 2006 and a third revised consultation in January this year. The consultation included a draft copy of the statutory instrument that the Government intend to use to initiate the powers contained in part 6 of the Bill. Therefore, we accept that the change has not come out of the blue and that the Treasury has received a considerable number of responses that have led, at least in part, to the drafting of part 6.
Given that, we are not opposed in principle to combined powers for HMRC. Our concern is the extent of such powers and how they are likely to be employed in practice. The Treasury has apparently sought to reassure the professional bodies that those powers, including that of arrest, will be used sparingly; but, importantly, few such guarantees are stated in the Bill. My party is by no means alone in being concerned. The Chartered Institute of Taxation, in a consultation response of 16 February this year, stated:"““We continue to believe that, as a matter of principle,. HMRC should have civil powers to administer tax, whereas criminal matters should be for the police. We do not see any conflict between this and the need to ensure appropriate powers are available to tackle MTIC fraud and other attempts to steal from the taxpayer.””"
It went on that if HMRC is given the powers,"““the issue becomes one of ensuring those powers are used only by those who need them, and are subject to proper control.””"
Finance Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Mark Francois
(Conservative)
in the House of Commons on Tuesday, 1 May 2007.
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and
Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Finance Bill.
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