Pensions Reform

I hope that my right hon. Friend will ask the Minister for Pensions Reform to deal with this question too when he winds up the debate. My right hon. Friend said that he expects the full implementation of the White Paper to reduce means-testing to about one third, the level that the Turner commission suggested would be reached under its proposed reforms. I believe that he was right a moment ago to say that the Government were not going down the citizenship pension route because of the great cost, but that means that many people will not gain a full state pension who otherwise would if we had a citizenship pension. If national insurance rights are not to be extended to that group, how is he able to say that there will be the same number of people on means-tested assistance as would be the case under the Liberal Democrat policy proposed by the Turner commission?