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Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 24 May 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Gascoigne. The answering member was Lord Kennedy of Southwark.
Lords report stage. Amendments 1 to 7, 10 to 12, 14, 18, 26 to 28, 38, 39, 41 to 43, 54 to 61, 64 and 65 agreed to. King's and Prince of Wales' consent signified. Statement on legislative consent. Standing Order 44 having been dispensed with, Lords third reading. Bill passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
838 cc1312-1371 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1312-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

1: Schedule 1, page 137, line 32, leave out sub-paragraph (2)...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1313 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I start, I declare that my wife is an employee of the Crown Estate, as set out i...


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Lord Young of Cookham | 838 cc1313-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to press my noble friend on Amendment 1. The Bill bans new houses being ...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1314-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I go further, I declare that I am a long leaseholder in a property which is my h...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1315-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 1 states that a lease is a retirement housing lease where residents have a mi...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 cc1316-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first make a number of declarations: I am a non-executive director of MHS Homes; chai...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for all the contributions in what has been a relatively brief group. I will go thro...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

Among noble Lords, my noble friend at least must have confidence that the Government will be retu...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

On the first question, it is with regret that I cannot give that date now. On his second question...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm that there is nothing in this Bill on forfeiture or ground rents, as had...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

There are lots of good things in the Bill as it stands that we have only just begun to talk about...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

I am not looking to oppose the Bill; I support it as it is. I am just trying to be clear on the s...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1318-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

2: Schedule 1, page 138, line 11, leave out paragraph 4 and i...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

4: Clause 12, page 7, line 11, leave out “registration” and i...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

7: Before Clause 24, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 cc1320-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bailey of Paddington

8: After Clause 25, insert the following new Claus...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill is suboptimal. It is not the revolution that many leaseholders across the cou...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 cc1321-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very difficult for us at this stage because a huge number of amendments have sudd...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to just go through the motions. I just want to understand the process so that we do...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of the two linked amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Bailey o...

Baroness Pinnock | 838 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have come to the last stages—the last rites—of this important Bill, which we on thes...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1322-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Bailey of Paddington for his amendment, and indeed all nob...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House knows two things about me—that I am new and procedure is not my thing and tha...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1323-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howard of Rising

9: After Clause 28, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1324-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 9 in my name would ensure that, when a building has more than 25% of commerci...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Howard of Rising for Amendment 9 on enfranchisement claims in mixed-...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that what the Minister said would not apply even if my amendment did not pass. Does...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

With respect to my noble friend, I thought I addressed the points. Introducing this measure would...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but complications exist now, and therefore it is unnecessary to go as far as the new Bill do...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1325-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

10: Schedule 4, page 159, line 6, leave out from “continue” t...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1326 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howard of Rising

13: Schedule 4, page 160, line 6, after “Schedule” ins...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1326-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the group of amendments in my name, Amendments 13, 15, 19, 23, 24, 25, ...

Lord Robathan | 838 cc1328-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time I have taken part in the debates on this Bill so I should state,...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say in support of my noble friend Lord Robathan, having once lived in a flat where th...

Lord Hacking | 838 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might get up for just a moment to express extreme disquiet about this Bill an...

Lord Hintze | 838 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the fact I have not spoken before on this matter, I again draw attention to my re...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 cc1330-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lords, Lord Hintze and Lord Robathan, both made the point that there had not ...

Lord Robathan | 838 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way, but she said in her earlier speech that she w...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

The context of my point about clarity was slightly different.

Anyway, the final thing is th...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1331-2 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I hope she can appreciate that it is perfectly possible to a...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 c1332 (Link to this contribution)

It is very fashionable to say “I am not a lawyer”, but lots of lawyers who work in property and h...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1332-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friends Lord Howard of Rising and Lord Moylan for their amendments, and all who ...

Lord Robathan | 838 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister just respond to what my noble friend Lord Howard of Rising said? Supposing I a...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

I would certainly be happy to defend this Bill and what it does. I therefore ask my noble friend ...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1333-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all those who were kind enough to support this amendment. The Minister talked about adequ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

14: Schedule 4, page 160, line 23, leave out from “if” to end...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howard of Rising

16: Schedule 4, page 162, line 41, at end insert—

<...
Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1334-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 16 to 18 in my name seek to ensure that the approach taken towards marriage ...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 838 cc1335-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support my noble friend Lord Howard of Rising’s amendment. It is important t...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friends Lord Howard of Rising and Lord Moylan for these amendments. They lay som...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. We touched on this before. The Minister said that this is compliant with th...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1338 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

18: Schedule 4, page 163, line 28, leave out from “that” to e...

Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham | 838 c1338 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham

20: Schedule 4, page 164, line 1...

Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham | 838 cc1338-1340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to both amendments in my name. I declare my interest as a beneficiary of t...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 838 cc1340-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not previously intervening on this Bill. I have no leasehold interests ...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened with great interest to the right reverend Prelate. Worthy though charities a...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1341-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham for these amendments an...

Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham | 838 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his answer. I will keep this brief. I thank the charities concerned and ...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Howard of Rising

21: Schedule 4, page 164, line 15, at end insert “, bu...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 cc1342-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 21 and 22 in my name seek to provide a means to ensure an orderly phasing ou...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord Howard of Rising and Lord Moylan for their amendments. Th...

Lord Howard of Rising | 838 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I would say to the Minister that people who have leases of under 80 years bought them. They...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 838 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has already spoken. He has sat down.

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1344-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

26: Schedule 4, page 166, line 30, at end insert—

“(4A)...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

29: Schedule 4, page 168, line 31, leave out sub-paragraphs (3) ...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1345-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there has been a number of groups concerning marriage value and I have not spoken in th...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend—if I can still call him that—Lord Moylan for these amendments. ...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Moylan | 838 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

31: Schedule 4, page 170, line 35, leave out sub-paragraphs (8) ...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1346-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I will be brief. The question of deferment rates was raised by the right reveren...

Bishop of Southwell and Nottingham | 838 c1347 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 37 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Moylan. As he has made clear...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1348 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord Moylan and Lord Howard of Rising for their amendments, an...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1348 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I omitted to say what I should have said: of course, my noble friend, who has been a fr...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1348-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

38: Schedule 6, page 179, line 26, before first “Schedule” in...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1349 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

41: Schedule 6, page 180, line 37, leave out from “date”” to ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1349 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

42: Schedule 8, page 196, line 10, at end insert—

“(3A)...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 cc1349-1350 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

44: After Clause 46, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 cc1350-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this will give my noble friends Lord Moylan and Lord Howard an opportunity to catch the...

Baroness Pinnock | 838 c1351 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, also drew attention to the lack of a clause in the Bill t...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 c1351 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 51 and 52. I will not rehearse the arguments that I made in ...

Lord Truscott | 838 cc1351-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak in support of my Amendment 66. In doing so, I remind the House of my interest as a l...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1352 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Young of Cookham for giving me a breather. I entirely agree...

Lord Truscott | 838 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord misunderstood to a certain extent what I was saying. Forfeiture actually h...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

Forfeiture is regularly used as a threatening tool so, although it does not land in court all the...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 cc1353-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are very welcome amendments that try to address two of the problems I referred to...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1354-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions in this group. I thank my noble friends...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 cc1355-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for responding to the debate and to all those who took part, par...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1356 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

49: After Clause 51, insert the following new Clause—

“Rig...

Lord Moylan | 838 cc1356-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to a very narrow point, which I will therefore try to deal with ...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 c1357 (Link to this contribution)

My Amendment 50 seeks to bring down the onerous 50% participation threshold to 35%, so that many ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1357 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Moylan for Amendment 49 on the right to manage and local authorities...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

If I may interrupt, I simply asked my noble friend for clarity. Is he now saying that the class o...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, I am grateful for the points my noble friend has made. I think it is as I have described...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is no better illustration of the sheer folly of trying to deal with this complex ...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

53: Clause 61, page 78, line 27, at end insert—

“(1A) Subs...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment relates to the question of the ability of right-to-manage companies and ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1359-1360 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Moylan for his amendment to Clause 61. The Government have...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1360-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

54: Clause 61, page 79, line 20, at end insert—

“(6A) S...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

59: Clause 84, page 104, line 4, at end insert—

“(5) A ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

60: Clause 88, page 106, line 5, leave out “by the Secretary ...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

61: Clause 91, page 108, line 39, leave out “by the Secretary...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 cc1362-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

62: After Clause 109, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 c1363 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hear the bell ringing as we enter the last lap. This amendment is also in the names o...

Lord Bailey of Paddington | 838 cc1363-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to my Amendment 67. When Parliament passed the Building Safety Act 2022, there ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 838 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are really close to the end. This is a very similar amendment to one that I proposed...

Baroness Pinnock | 838 cc1364-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches totally support Amendments 62 and 63 in the name of the noble Lord,...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will, very briefly, just add our support for Amendments 62, 63 and 67. The noble Lord...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1365-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Best, the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, and my noble friends Lord Bai...

Lord Young of Cookham | 838 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who took part in this decade. I want to pick up a point rais...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1366-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Gascoigne

64: Clause 110, page 124, leave out line 23 and insert—

Lord Moylan | 838 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Moylan

69: Clause 123, page 135, line 32, at end insert—

“(2A) S...

Lord Moylan | 838 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think it was Bismarck who said that the public should never see how laws or sausages ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 838 cc1367-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have it on command from His Majesty the King and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wal...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 c1368 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will first make a statement on the legislative consent process in relation to the Lea...

Lord Gascoigne | 838 cc1368-1370 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving that the Bill do now pass, I recognise that we are now, finally, reaching the...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the government team that worked on this Bill, particularly the noble Baroness, ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 838 c1371 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We get on really well together, and I have always appreciated the way she deals with ...

Notes
Welsh legislative consent sought.
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