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Data Protection and Digital Information Bill

Lords committee stage seventh day. Schedule 11 agreed to. Clause 129, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 130 to 137 agreed to. Schedule 12 agreed to. Clause 138, as amended, agreed to. Schedule 13, as amended, agreed to. Clause 139, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 140 to 142 agreed to. Schedule 14 agreed to. Clause 143, as amended, agreed to. Schedule 15, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 144 to 149 agreed to. Clause 150, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 151 to 153 agreed to. Clause 154, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 155 to 157 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 67).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
837 cc535-602GC 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Data Protection and Digital Information Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 6 December 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Data Protection and Digital Information Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. As amended in Grand Committee
Wednesday, 24 April 2024
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2024-0486
Wednesday, 8 May 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2024-0495
Tuesday, 14 May 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Sherlock | 837 c535GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sherlock

225: Schedule 11, page 247, line 22, leave out “may” and i...

Baroness Sherlock | 837 cc535-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 225, I will speak to the other amendments in this group. They cover...


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Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 cc537-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee that duties elsewhere in the House prevented me from atten...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 837 c539GC (Link to this contribution)

In the two previous groups, I raised pension credit, and it is notable that the noble Viscount th...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc539-540GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a privilege to be at the ringside during these three groups. I think the no...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 cc540-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a somewhat shorter debate than we have been used to, bearing in mind Mond...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 c541GC (Link to this contribution)

I take the Minister’s point and I will settle for the appellation “investigatory powers nerd”; I ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c541GC (Link to this contribution)

If I may just answer that question from the noble Lord, Lord Anderson; I think it is important to...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 c541GC (Link to this contribution)

In relation to the code of practice, which I am glad the Minister mentioned, we have just seen th...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c542GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I was going to come on to that later in my remarks, particularly to address the points ra...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c542GC (Link to this contribution)

I have a question. I am slightly puzzled about the difference between data collection and surveil...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 cc542-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, I think we are going back to the debates that we had on Monday. However, this chimes with...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 837 c543GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Viscount, but I just want to be clear about what he is saying i...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c543GC (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly take that back. I do not want to make any commitments today. I have already set ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 837 c543GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Viscount. This is just a thought, but we are happy to help, as we ofte...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 cc543-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the tone of the noble Lord and, if there is anything that comes from behind me befor...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 cc544-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister—I am just trying to catch up. On the point that he made about regul...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

Again, I hope that I might have covered this earlier. If I read the noble Lord’s question correct...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise; I did not make myself clear. I think that we are on entirely the same wavelength on ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding —with his experience, I am sure that the noble Lord will be ahead of me on this—...

Baroness Sherlock | 837 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I asked only four questions, I want to try to nail each one as we go. I am grateful ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c545GC (Link to this contribution)

That is correct. I hope indeed that it provides some reassurance that extending it to the banks a...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 837 c546GC (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, they already have some information about claimants or recipients. Does this Bill mak...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 cc546-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, that is correct. I hope that is helpful and gives the noble Lord reassurance. To clarify,...

Baroness Sherlock | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister. There is one question, so I apologise if he answered it and I...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

That is one of the questions that I can now answer. The power will allow this, in so far as it pe...

Baroness Kidron | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

May I add to the very long letter? I have been sitting here worrying about this idea that one of ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

That is a very fair question, and I hope that I understand it correctly. I can say that the limit...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister extolled the green-rated nature of this impact assessment. In the midst of...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

I asked about the amount of fraud that the Government plan to detect, on top of the £6.4 billion ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

The figure that we have is £600 million but, again, I will reflect on the actual question that we...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is saying that that figure is not to be found in this green-rated impact assessment,...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c548GC (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly take that back, but it is green rated.

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have talked about proportionality and disproportionality throughout the debate on th...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister was kind enough to mention me a little earlier. Can I just follow up on th...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope I can help both noble Lords. Although I must admit that I have not read every single page,...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, £500 million. I mentioned £600 million altogether; that was mentioned by the OBR, which had ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, has not that demonstrated the disproportionality of these measures?

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Viscount explained in response to the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, that at every stage wh...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand, very quickly, that it is in paragraph 1(1), but again, in the interests of time, ma...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister clarify: was that paragraph 1(1)?

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

I can reassure the noble Lord that that is the case, yes.

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 837 c549GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether I can help. I agree with the noble Baroness: I do not think it is very clea...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c550GC (Link to this contribution)

I reassure noble Lords that is correct—it is paragraph 1(1). It may be rather complex, but it is ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c550GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to keep coming back, but did the Minister give us the paragraph in the impact assessme...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c550GC (Link to this contribution)

No, I did not, but that is something which surely we can deal with outside the Room. However, I c...

Baroness Sherlock | 837 cc550-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his attempts to answer my questions and those of many noble Lo...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 837 c551GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I want to say one very important thing. As ever with Bills, ...

Baroness Sherlock | 837 c551GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that on behalf of the Committee I can thank the Minister for that generous of...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c551GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

236: Clause 129, page 158, line 27, leave out “, or are due...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc551-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened carefully to representations from across the House at Second Reading, I...

Baroness Kidron | 837 cc552-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an unusual pleasure to support the Minister and to say that this is a very welcom...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 837 c553GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want briefly to contribute to this debate, which I think is somewhat less contentious...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c553GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having been involved in and seen the campaigning of the bereaved families and the noble...

Lord Leong | 837 cc553-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for setting out the amendment and all noble Lords who spoke. I am ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc554-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by reiterating my thanks to the noble Baroness, Peers, families and coroners for the...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c555GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

237: Clause 129, page 158, leave out lines 30 and 31

...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c555GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

239: Clause 133, page 169, line 10, at end inse...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc555-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 239 and to speak to Amendment 250 in my name. I am grateful to...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c556GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief because we very much support these amendments. Interestingly, Amendment...

Lord Harlech | 837 cc556-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as someone who has been through the paper death registration proc...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c558GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I just be clear? The noble Lord was quite rightly saying that there is going to be a move to ...

Lord Harlech | 837 cc558-9GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness asks a fair question. A major thing is being proposed, so it is best that we w...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c559GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to hear that there is some work ongoing on the registrar process and that...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c559GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

240: Clause 138, page 172, line 14, leave out “Part 3” and ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc560-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I now turn to the national underground asset register, which I will refer to as NUAR. I...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc562-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his exposition. He explained the purposes of Clauses 138 to 14...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 cc564-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister really did big up this section of the Bill. He said it would revolutionise...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

I start by thanking the noble Lords, Lord Clement-Jones and Lord Bassam, for their respective rep...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

While the Minister is speaking, maybe the Box could tell him whether the figure of only 33% of as...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

It did complete a pilot phase this year. As it operationalises, more and more will sign up. I do ...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned. We get the principle behind NUAR, but is there an interface between NUAR and this...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c565GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that there is doubt over the current scope of NUAR; it is meant to address all buri...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc565-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, is absolutely right to be asking that question. We can go ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c567GC (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, LSBUD services are provided on a pdf, on request. It is not interactive; it i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c567GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are beginning to tease out something quite useful here. Basically, NUAR will be pret...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c567GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, there are two key distinctions. One is the way that the information is provided online, i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c567GC (Link to this contribution)

Unlike the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, I do not have that background in seeing what happens with the...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c567GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whose rights are being trampled on by having a shared database of these things. How...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

All I can say is that, in that case, the Minister has been worked on extremely well.

Viscount Camrose | 837 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

In addition to the situation that the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, described, I was braced for a real...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it took them half a day to discover where the hole had gone and what the damage was. Th...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

No, indeed, it is a deeply serious point. I do not know the number off the top of my head but the...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 837 c568GC (Link to this contribution)

I cannot resist drawing the Minister’s attention to the story in today’s Financial Times, which r...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc568-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I saw that story. Obviously, regardless of how they report the data, if they do not know, they do...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c569GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister’s peroration, I just want to check something. He talked about the discovery p...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c569GC (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the Government have met the Geospatial Commission many times. I would be happy to meet...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc569-570GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

241: Clause 138, page 172, line 16, at end insert—

“1...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc570-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

242: Clause 138, page 172, line 18, after “provision” inser...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c571GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

247: Schedule 13, page 271, leave out lines 22 and 23 and i...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc571-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

248: Clause 139, page 178, line 19, leave out paragraph (f)...

Baroness Kidron | 837 c572GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kidron

251: After Clause 142, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Kidron | 837 cc572-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 251 is also in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Arbuthnot and Lord Clement-...

Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 837 cc576-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on her amendment and thank her for allo...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc577-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard two extremely powerful speeches; I will follow in their wake but be very ...

Lord Leong | 837 cc578-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this probing amendment, Amendment 251. I thank all noble Lords who have spoke...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc579-580GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise the feeling of the Committee on this issue and, frankly, I recognise the fe...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c580GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister pass on the following suggestion? Paul Marshall, who has been mentioned by all o...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c581GC (Link to this contribution)

It may have already done so, but I will certainly pass that on.

Baroness Kidron | 837 c581GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank everyone who spoke and the Minister for the offer of a meeting alongside his colleagues f...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c581GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

253: Clause 143, page 181, line 14, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c582GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

254: Schedule 15, page 278, line 17, leave out “Secretary...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc582-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I will speak to every single one of the amendments in this group but o...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc583-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for introducing his amendments so ably. Whe...

Lord Harlech | 837 cc584-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitc...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc585-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response, dusty though it may have been. The noble Barones...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c587GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

283: Schedule 15, page 287, line 26, at end insert—

“...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c587GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

285: Schedule 15, page 288, line 25, leave out sub-paragrap...

Baroness Kidron | 837 cc587-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kidron

291: After Clause 149, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Kidron | 837 cc588-590GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise somewhat reluctantly to speak to Amendment 291 in my name. It could hardly be mo...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc590-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as ever, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, has nailed this issue. She has campaigned tir...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc591-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased that we were able to sign this amendment. Once again, the noble Baroness, ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc592-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for tabling Amendment 291, which would create several ne...

Baroness Kidron | 837 c593GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know how to express in parliamentary terms the depth of my disappointment, so I will lea...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc593-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

293: After Clause 149, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc594-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to all the amendments in this group, other than Amendment 295 from the nob...

Lord Leong | 837 cc595-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendments 293 and 294 from the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, Amendment 29...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c598GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c598GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would be very happy to get a letter from the Minister.

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc598-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be happy to write one. I will go for the abbreviated version of my speech.

I turn f...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c599GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that rather breathless response and his consideration. I look ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc599-600GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

295G: After Clause 149, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc600-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what a relief—we are at the final furlong.

The UK is a world leader in genomics, ...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c601GC (Link to this contribution)

The Committee will be relieved to know that I will be brief. I do not have much to say because, i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c601GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be extremely happy for the Minister to write.

Viscount Camrose | 837 c601GC (Link to this contribution)

Nothing makes me happier than the noble Lord’s happiness. I thank him for his amendment and the n...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c601GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and all the team. I also thank th...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c602GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

297: Clause 150, page 188, line 3, at end insert—

“(3...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c602GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

298: Clause 154, page 189, line 24, leave out “subsection (...

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Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland legislative consent sought.
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