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Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clause 2 agreed to. New clause under consideration.
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836 cc264-358 
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2023-24
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Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Thursday, 18 January 2024
Bills
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill. Joint Committee on Human Rights second report
Wednesday, 7 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
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House of Commons
Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill. Constitution Committee third report
Friday, 9 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
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Deposited Paper DEP2024-0291
Monday, 4 March 2024
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Deposited Paper DEP2024-0295
Monday, 4 March 2024
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Deposited Paper DEP2024-0302
Monday, 4 March 2024
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 836 c264 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely. I remind the Committee ...

Lord Scriven | 836 c264 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Scriven

18: Clause 2, page 2, line 33, leave out “Every decision-maker ...


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Lord Scriven | 836 cc264-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we enter day two and the world of fantasy and fiction on the Bill, which is based on...

Baroness Brinton | 836 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, who introduced the amendments ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 836 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 70, 73 and 85. I support the other amendments in this group....

Lord Horam | 836 cc268-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord German, could not move the amendment in his name. ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c269 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, can he answer a question? Under Home Office figures, 78% of thos...

Lord Horam | 836 c269 (Link to this contribution)

She will be deterred because the Bill is designed to send people to Rwanda, with a very narrow ar...

Lord Deben | 836 cc269-270 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is extremely difficult to debate anything in the Bill if the only answer of those wh...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 836 cc270-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 75 in this group, which is in my name and supported by the...

Lord Stirrup | 836 c272 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 75, to which I have added my name. In order not to try the patience...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 cc272-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, no one could disagree with a word of that. I of course support the amendment from the n...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 836 cc274-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. I support Amendment 75, whi...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc277-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Alton, with his decades of huma...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 836 c278 (Link to this contribution)

It has indeed been a remarkable debate, as the noble Baroness says. Her own contribution maintain...

Bishop of Bristol | 836 cc278-280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those supporting Amendment 75 and for the speeches on it. I am fur...

Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 836 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for not being present at Second Reading. I am afraid that ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 836 c281 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly about Amendment 75, which the noble Lord, Lord Browne of Ladyton, ...

Lord Bellingham | 836 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

I want to pick up on three quick points before the Minister replies. First, on Amendment 75, I en...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 836 c282 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord referred to Human Rights Watch. I assume that he has read its report on 2022, whic...

Lord Bellingham | 836 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I share the noble Baroness’s concerns about Rwanda because there are many areas about which we ca...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 836 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

I would not want the noble Lord to proceed on the basis of believing that the JCHR, for instance,...

Lord Bellingham | 836 c283 (Link to this contribution)

I respect enormously what the noble Lord says. I would just push back slightly. The RPF and Kagam...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the power of this debate has been absolutely extraordinary. I think the House very much...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 cc284-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Mary is 19; she is in Gezira, in Sudan, just by the Ethiopian border. She has been offe...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this Bill we are discussing many of the same issues we discussed during the passage ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this very thoughtful debate. I reassure ...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 836 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I feel I have to point out to the Minister facts which I took for granted, because they had instr...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c288 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s point, and I deeply regret any errors that were made in regard to these p...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 836 c289 (Link to this contribution)

I will reinforce the point that the noble Lord, Lord Browne, has made and I am grateful to the Mi...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 c289 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure whether I picked up in the Minister’s response that he included the cohor...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc289-290 (Link to this contribution)

Regarding the applications to the ARAP scheme, clearly, I am not qualified to comment on individu...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c290 (Link to this contribution)

This is the point I made at Second Reading. Section 22 of the Illegal Migration Act disapplies al...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will repeat the point: the first responders will be expected to refer individuals int...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I am still waiting on the letter. Section 22 of the Illegal Migration Act, on modern slavery, dis...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I repeat the points that I have made. I will write the letter to the noble Lord. I have the infor...

Lord Scriven | 836 c290 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister cannot get away with this. This is a clear issue of an amendment that has been put s...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc290-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will go into the detail that I have on what happens when someone arrives illegally an...

Lord Deben | 836 c292 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, those of us who raised the question about morality agree with all the Minister sai...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that and will of course make sure that he is copied in to the letter....

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I have a specific question to ask. I do not doubt the Minister’s motives or morality; I think tha...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

Based on the information that I have available to me here, the answer to that is yes. However, I ...

Lord Scriven | 836 c293 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for contributing to what has been a very powerful and at times ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

19: Clause 2, page 2, line 33, leave out “conclusiv...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 cc293-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise in place of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, to speak to Amendments 19, 21, 25 and ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c295 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, who has put his case with the precision and su...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 cc295-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 30 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Cashman and th...

Baroness D'Souza | 836 c298 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too have added my name to this amendment, and I declare an interest as a patron of Re...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 cc298-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments, which seem to me to go to the heart of the most extraordina...

Bishop of Bristol | 836 cc299-300 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my right reverend friend the Bishop of Manchester regrets that he cannot be here today ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 cc300-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, every time in this Committee you think that the Government cannot be more flattened tha...

Lord Deben | 836 cc301-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope the Committee accepts that I rarely intervene when the lawyers are at it, becaus...

Bishop of Leeds | 836 c302 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. I endorse the speech by the noble Lord, Lord Deben. I want to que...

Lord Scriven | 836 c303 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 22, 37 and 42 in the name of my noble friend Lord German, t...

Lord Cashman | 836 cc303-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendments in this group, which seem eminently sensible—t...

Lord McDonald of Salford | 836 c304 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the case put by the noble Lord, Lord Cashman, and ask about a current torture...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 836 cc304-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the expert contribution of the noble Lord, Lord McDonald. I ...

Lord Hoffmann | 836 c305 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Clarke asked whether there was any precedent for the kind of legis...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c305 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps it is only the House of Lords that when asked to find a precedent can refer bac...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 cc305-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Government are asking us to be the perpetual judge of the legislation and actions of another ...

Baroness D'Souza | 836 c306 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I want to add to his experience that, the minute I had vis...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 cc306-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness. The Minister might see two examples and ask when it becomes ...

Lord Green of Deddington | 836 c307 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a brief postscript to the very powerful interventions that have been made b...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c307 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is an expert in these areas. If the Bill goes through, what is his estimate of how...

Lord Green of Deddington | 836 c307 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that anybody has any idea of the answer to that. That is one of the difficulties. ...

Lord Coaker | 836 cc307-310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also pay tribute to the quality of the contributions that we have had from so many no...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is customary on these occasions to thank all noble Lords directly for their contribu...

Lord Coaker | 836 c311 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying that the quote of the Prime Minister’s words is not accurate?

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c311 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly was not. I was saying that, when the noble Lord quoted, or referred to the content of...

Lord Scriven | 836 c311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has raised a really important point concerning the treaty. Clause 2(4) sta...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the policy of the Bill is to respond to the United Kingdom Supreme Court’s decision in ...

Lord Deben | 836 c311 (Link to this contribution)

These were findings that related to a period of time. The Government are saying that that period ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the point of the principle of the Bill is to remove the matter from the consideration o...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c312 (Link to this contribution)

What are the mechanisms —since, as my noble friend Lord Scriven said, the courts are no longer ab...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c312 (Link to this contribution)

First, I remind the noble Lord of some of the constitutional truths that were adverted to in the ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I am fascinated by this new “court of Parliament” concept. Anyone who thinks that the Age of Reas...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister answers the question, this is a rather unusual court, because it is...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c313 (Link to this contribution)

First, as the noble and learned Lord is perfectly well aware, the Bill blocks the possibility of ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c313 (Link to this contribution)

Not on the theory point but on the practical point of what the Bill states, can the Minister just...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc313-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I said to the noble Lord when first responding to him, I will address those matters in more de...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c315 (Link to this contribution)

I just remind the noble and learned Lord that he said he would return to the temporal issue of ho...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c316 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness’s point echoes the one made by the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed....

Lord Scriven | 836 c316 (Link to this contribution)

If the arrangements in the treaty are not in place, that would be specific to the individual, yet...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

The only thing relevant to an individual case would be matters specific to the individual.

...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

Surely we come back to the point about temporality, which a number of noble Lords have raised. Su...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that would depend entirely on the case presented by the individual.

I thank the n...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister going on to another point? I did ask some specific questions.

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

I am of course ready to take specific questions that the noble Baroness develops, but it was not ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister going to answer my questions?

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c317 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have said several times during this debate, at this and other stages, it is the Go...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c318 (Link to this contribution)

There is no obligation on the monitoring committee to publish its report, so how will we know wha...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said to the noble Lord, this matter is to be dealt with in further groupings. In t...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c318 (Link to this contribution)

The amendment has two parts. One was the about treatment of asylum seekers in Rwanda and that the...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c319 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot answer the noble Baroness’s question about why those statistics are not kept. ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 836 c319 (Link to this contribution)

I have not taken part in this debate—I came in only earlier this afternoon—but on this I have som...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c319 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am reminded that Article 13 of the treaty makes the specific provision:

“Rwanda...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c319 (Link to this contribution)

I could well have missed it when I read the treaty, but the quotation the Minister has given talk...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc319-320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all relocated individuals will receive protection appropriate to them and assistance ac...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 cc320-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was once the practice of our courts to prevent the jury from dining until they had r...

Lord German | 836 cc321-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Scriven

31: Clause 2, page 3, line 13, leave out subsection (5)

M...

Lord Scriven | 836 cc322-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am again a poor substitute for my noble friend Lord German. This group is a suite of ...

Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 836 cc323-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 33 to Clause 2. I acknowledge the support of the right rev...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc325-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate, who was, o...

Viscount Hailsham | 836 cc326-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly to the generality of Clause 3. I signed the notice opposing Cla...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c328 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Viscount—probably inadequately. I added my name t...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c328 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness appears to suggest that, because the Bill disapplies Section 6, local authorit...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 cc328-330 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I was only quoting—I know it was a majority vote and that the noble Lord did not ...

Bishop of Chelmsford | 836 cc330-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 33 from the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate, to which I am a...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 836 cc331-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak in qualified support of Amendment 33, but before I do so I should say tha...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c332 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord share the concern, that I and various committees of your Lordships’ House hav...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 836 cc332-4 (Link to this contribution)

On the noble Baroness’s first question, I agree with the sentiments that she expressed earlier.

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 836 c334 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all of us lawyers can tell war stories about cases that we have been involved in or tha...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 836 c334 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I took it that the noble Baroness was asking me a question from the way she started—no,...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 836 c335 (Link to this contribution)

I rise with great humbleness to intervene at this point. I was planning to refer to the noble Bar...

Lord Deben | 836 cc335-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remember as a young boy walking with my father in a town. We passed a building which ...

Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich | 836 c336 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord from Suffolk. The most reverend Primate the A...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 836 cc336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am absolutely not entitled to speak on the Human Rights Act, but I found that the arg...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 cc337-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have found this group of amendments very interesting and I am grateful to the noble L...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c338 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that this will be a more prosaic and lawyerly contribution than the two we ...

Lord Tugendhat | 836 c339 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly address the point raised by my noble friend Lady Lawlor. The Conservativ...

Lord Tugendhat | 836 c339 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish. It is also finally worth remembering that the one Conservative Prime Minister sinc...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 c339 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for saying I could hold on. My remarks were related to what was...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 836 c339 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point the noble Baroness is making; it is a very valid point. But what deduction...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 cc339-340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, tempted though I am to engage with the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, on that very interesting ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c340 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, in a second. The very idea that, in some...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c340 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I am intervening because he referred to something...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I find it a little odd for the noble Baroness to say that she is criticising the Government for d...

Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 836 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but as I listened to the noble Lord, I was getting the impression that he was agreein...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that the amendment still has no purpose. The point is, as I hope I demonstrated to yo...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 cc341-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments focuses on Clause 3 and demonstrates the threat to the domesti...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc342-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as always, I am grateful to noble Lords who contributed to the debate on this group and...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c343 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord’s noble friend is just trying to speed up parliamentary consideration ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc343-6 (Link to this contribution)

Given how well the declaration of compatibility procedure is working and has worked in the past, ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c346 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to prolong matters, but I asked an explicit question about Northern Ireland....

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c346 (Link to this contribution)

I beg the noble Baroness’s pardon for seeming to ignore her contribution. I was at fault. I touch...

Lord Scriven | 836 cc346-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his responses, which are always courteous and detailed. Howeve...

Lord Scriven | 836 c347 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Scriven

35: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—

“App...

Lord Scriven | 836 cc347-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, because of the lateness of the hour, I will speak to this suite of important amendments...

Lord Coaker | 836 cc348-350 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just to be clear, I will be very “Committeeish” about this group of amendments. In the ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c349 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 74 in my name in this group and associate myself with all the ques...

Lord Green of Deddington | 836 c349 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord is completely right on his numbers; migration is about 10 times, sometim...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 cc349-352 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord and, to some extent, I agree with him. If we have a legal migrati...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c352 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will introduce my Amendments 81 and 82 in this group, which I have the privilege of s...

Viscount Hailsham | 836 cc352-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Baroness and entirely agree with what she has said on Amendment 8...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 cc353-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend Lady Chakrabarti’s amendment, as amended by that of ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 836 cc354-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, aware of the hour, I rise very briefly, having attached my name to Amendment 81 in the ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 cc355-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also note the Clock and I will make points on the two headings. The first is on Amend...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c356 (Link to this contribution)

No. The noble Lord has misunderstood my argument. You are in this country before the Act. You hav...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 c357 (Link to this contribution)

A very good touchstone of when lawyers realise that—if I may respectfully say—the argument does n...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 836 c357 (Link to this contribution)

The person who would have a right to asylum in the UK under this Bill would no longer have the ri...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c357 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord explain why if I come here and am entitled to asylum that is not a right?

...
Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 c357 (Link to this contribution)

The right is to make a claim for asylum. That is the vested right absolutely. The right is the ri...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 c357 (Link to this contribution)

It does not work if the noble Lord shouts at me when he is sitting down. I am happy to give way. ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c358 (Link to this contribution)

A right to have possession of my property requires me to go to court and get it. It is still a ri...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 c358 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; that is totally different, because the courts—I will give way to the noble Baroness.<...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c358 (Link to this contribution)

I think we have got to the heart of this. I am concerned about the time, not just for Members of ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 836 c358 (Link to this contribution)

Of course they are rights that have been recognised for a very long time, but that was not the po...

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