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Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 7 December 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Johnson of Lainston. The answering member was Lord McNicol of West Kilbride.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 3 agreed to. Schedule agreed to. Clauses 4 and 5 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
834 cc171-208GC 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Trade (Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership) Bill (HL) 2023-24
Wednesday, 8 November 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0989
Tuesday, 12 December 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0988
Tuesday, 12 December 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0987
Tuesday, 12 December 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

A1: Clause 2, page 1, line 16, at end insert—

“(1...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a reassuring sight on trade Bills in Committee to have a reunion of many o...


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Lord Lansley | 834 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly join this debate because I am interested in the question of the mutual r...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 834 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed, explained that this is a probing amendment, so I ...

Viscount Trenchard | 834 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed, I was unable to participate at Second Readin...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 834 cc174-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to intervene at a late stage on this amendment. I, too, was unable to participat...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

I greet noble Lords who have been kind enough to come back for another wonderful discussion on th...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to Members who took part in this short debate. I like the Minister, and his enthusi...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

I will do that and, on the other point, clarify where I think there may be a misunderstanding abo...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that—as we know, there are currently imports under both the WTO approach and th...

Lord Lansley | 834 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

1: Clause 3, page 2, line 7 leave out “wholly or mainly”

Lord Lansley | 834 cc177-9GC (Link to this contribution)

We come now to Amendment 1, which, strangely enough, is not the first amendment, but there we are...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 cc179-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee is in the debt of the noble Lord, Lord Lansley. He is rare among us in be...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 834 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is very little to add to the detailed probing question—and answers—from the noble...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a constant pleasure to debate with such intellectual firepowers as the noble Lord...

Lord Lansley | 834 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

I intervene just to pre-empt my subsequent remarks. We are in Committee and may not need to retur...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention. The principle here is ensuring that our pro...

Lord Lansley | 834 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend. I sense that the Committee would be happy for us to take this away and l...

Lord Lansley | 834 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

8: Clause 4, page 3, line 13, leave out “established by use” an...

Lord Lansley | 834 cc181-2GC (Link to this contribution)

This is another technical amendment to a technical Bill. It seeks to understand why the language ...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 834 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lansley. The Trade Marks Act 1994 at no point uses the phr...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

As always, I am grateful to noble Lords for their points. Clearly, it is easy to confuse trademar...

Lord Lansley | 834 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

I remain confused because, in Clause 4(3), “established by use” relates to the trademark and not ...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to my noble friend, but that is not how I read it. It is linked to designation—that i...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 834 cc183-4GC (Link to this contribution)

You are not—I would not dream of doing so—but I think the point made by the noble Lord is worth f...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. I hope that he does not feel that I have been tripped up by this...

Lord Lansley | 834 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend. I am very happy to proceed on the basis he proposes, but I say ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

8A: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert—

“(13...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 cc185-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 8A builds on Amendment 8 to some extent because it also relates to geographic...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 834 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 34 is in my name. I first have to repeat what I discover is true of quite a f...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 834 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

I will say a brief word on Amendment 8A. Contrary to the habit of a lifetime, I played by the rul...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 834 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, unlike my noble friend Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, I am afraid that I was not present for ...

Lord Foster of Bath | 834 cc189-190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly. Like others, I will declare whether I spoke at Second Readin...

Lord Lansley | 834 cc190-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I take this opportunity to remind noble Lords of my registered interest as the UK co-chair of the...

Viscount Trenchard | 834 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely endorse what my noble friend Lord Lansley has just said. There is considerab...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 834 cc191-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let us deal with this Second Reading issue. My understanding of the Companion is that t...

Baroness Lawlor | 834 c192GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, apropos of the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Davies, it is important no...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 cc192-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank everyone who attended Second Reading. It seems a very few did; I do not know where everyo...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 834 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is quite correct. It is in a statement associated with the Act, but it applies only ...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that comment; I am happy to have a discussion with him and other noble...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 834 cc194-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for referring explicitly to the supply chain issue. It should form ...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 cc197-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely make myself available to have discussions outside this Committee on all points. I re...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 c198GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s helpful and interesting reply. My understanding is that Minister...

Viscount Trenchard | 834 c198GC (Link to this contribution)

China is not a member of the CPTPP, so I absolutely do not understand the relevance of what the n...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 cc198-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am fully aware that China is not a member—I do not think there is any doubt about that—but sure...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 834 c199GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Purvis. Given what the Minister said a few moments ago...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 834 cc199-200GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my friend the noble Lord, Lord Alton, because he and I often think alike in many...

Lord Lansley | 834 c200GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

9: Clause 5, page 6, line 6, at end insert—

“(3A) In sect...

Lord Lansley | 834 cc200-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we come now to the question of performers’ rights. I will not dwell at length on the pu...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 834 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Lord clarify that he would always want that done under the affirmative procedure so...

Lord Lansley | 834 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

Some of them are under negative procedures. It is a judgment, not least in this House as our Dele...

Lord Foster of Bath | 834 cc201-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, suggests that I should go into great detail explaining th...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 834 cc203-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 10 in this group. It is a short, probing amendment, and I have a few q...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

I again thank noble Lords for their input. The noble Lord, Lord Purvis, referred to my declaratio...

Lord Foster of Bath | 834 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but although it will report early next year, that will be after we have concluded all...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 cc204-5GC (Link to this contribution)

That is true of the House of Lords process, but I assume that, by then, the Bill will be in the o...

Lord Foster of Bath | 834 c205GC (Link to this contribution)

I was not going to intervene, although I was tempted. The Minister is 100% right that this is inc...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 cc205-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his understanding of the complexity of this. I hope I have be...

Lord Lansley | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has referred very well to all the issues relating to the definition of a qualifyi...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

We have not legislated for a consultation—there is no mention of that in the Bill—but we made suc...

Lord Lansley | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

Is that an undertaking always to consult before making an order under Sections 206 or 208 of the ...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

No, I am sorry—it is not an undertaking to consult on the artist performance rights every time ch...

Lord Lansley | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, what my noble friend has said may satisfy the noble Lord, Lord Foster of Bath—i...

Lord Foster of Bath | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

It is “Bath” with a short “a”.

Lord Lansley | 834 c206GC (Link to this contribution)

Try to read that one in Hansard. However, my noble friend has not given me the assurance that I a...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c207GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. I am very happy to have conversations about this. Clearly, these...

Lord Johnson of Lainston | 834 c207GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord McNicol, would like me to make off-the-cuff commitments on behalf of the Gov...

Lord Lansley | 834 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

That reassurance affords me the opportunity to beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

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