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Hunting Trophies (Import Prohibition) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 12 September 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Fookes. The answering member was Lord Benyon.
Lords committee stage. Amendment 1 to clause 1 disagreed to on division (30 to 39). Amendment 5 to clause 1 disagreed to on division (25 to 32).
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Parliamentary proceeding
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832 cc919-965 
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2022-23
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Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Earl of Caithness | 832 c919 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 1, at end insert—

“(A1...

Earl of Caithness | 832 cc920-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill has very little effect in or on the UK, but it potentially has huge effect in...


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Lord Bellingham | 832 c922 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend talks about loss of income. One of the points put forward by proponents of the Bi...

Earl of Caithness | 832 cc922-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I totally agree with my noble friend on that point. One also needs to bear in mind that...

Lord Swire | 832 c924 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I entirely agree with him that this mu...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c924 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is absolutely right, and I am sure that the source of that misinformation will no...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 832 cc924-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend the noble Baroness, Lady Fookes, for bringing the Bill to the House and champ...

Lord Robathan | 832 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Baroness is saying, but is she really implying that those people, suc...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 832 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I would love to see a true balance of gender in contributions in your Lordships’ House, as I woul...

Baroness Wolf of Dulwich | 832 cc925-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I express my support for the amendment moved by the noble Earl, Lord Caithness. I suppo...

Lord Mancroft | 832 cc927-930 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe that most reasonable people, and certainly most noble Lords taking part today...

Lord Bellingham | 832 c930 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord moves on, will he also reflect on one point? We have indeed, as he rightly ...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c930 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend. He is absolutely right: all those countries that we have all ha...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 832 cc930-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we move through the early stages of this debate, I think it is important, first, tha...

Lord Swire | 832 cc932-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must take issue with the noble Lord, Lord Weir, because I do not think that these ame...

Lord Turnbull | 832 cc934-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that I was not able to speak at Second Reading; I found out that it was sche...

Earl of Erroll | 832 cc935-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, funnily enough, that is a very good note on which to start. I will come to the specific...

Lord Lucas | 832 cc936-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can see that this could be a very constructive Bill, particularly if we got back to o...

Lord Bellingham | 832 c937 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend reflect on one specific point around all this? When we started out on this ...

Lord Lucas | 832 cc937-8 (Link to this contribution)

I would have thought so.

We need to be rational about conservation. Conservation often invo...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 832 cc938-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have been debating this amendment for some considerable time. There is a concern tha...

Lord Hannan of Kingsclere | 832 cc939-941 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after that speech, I should begin by declaring a few non-interests. I am not a heredita...

Lord Trees | 832 c941 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard some very strong speeches, though many have had a rather tenuous connecti...

Lord Harlech | 832 c941 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the noble Lord’s point about wanting to speak to a specific amendment, but he will h...

Lord Trees | 832 c941 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but there is no grouping, is there?

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 832 cc941-3 (Link to this contribution)

Can I invite the noble Lord, Lord Hannan, to support our amendments tomorrow, since he clearly la...

Baroness Fookes | 832 c943 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have already spent a considerable time on this first amendment. I take what I think ...

Lord Benyon | 832 c943 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, for tabling and moving this amendment, and the ...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for giving way; I am most grateful. I too would like to have found a way ...

Lord Benyon | 832 cc944-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend and understand the point he makes. Like other noble Lords, I commend my n...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c946 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, and I thank t...

Baroness Fookes | 832 c946 (Link to this contribution)

May I intervene? I did not deal with any of those issues because I regarded them as a Second Read...

Earl of Caithness | 832 cc946-7 (Link to this contribution)

I think we all fully accept that my noble friend will not meet anybody to discuss this Bill and w...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c947 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 2, at beginning insert “Subj...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c948 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very simple amendment. It makes Clause 1 subject to Clause 4, which relates t...

Lord Benyon | 832 c948 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have already set out the Government’s position on this matter in my response to an ea...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c948 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for all the support around the Committee I have received on that one. In ...

Earl of Leicester | 832 c948 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Leicester

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out “an” and insert...

Earl of Leicester | 832 cc948-950 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I was unable to attend Second Reading. I was very keen to do so but un...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 832 c950 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 3 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 4 or 5 for reasons of pre-emption...

Lord Bellingham | 832 cc950-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment, which makes a great deal of sense. I think it is...

Lord Mancroft | 832 cc951-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a comment about this and ask a question of my noble friend on the Front ...

Baroness Fookes | 832 c952 (Link to this contribution)

For the record, I do not like this amendment and am opposed to it, as it restricts the scope far ...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c952 (Link to this contribution)

Does that mean that my noble friend thinks that we should have trophy laws for domestic animals?<...

Lord Benyon | 832 c952 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to add to what I said earlier, but my noble friend has asked me something...

Earl of Leicester | 832 c952 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank those noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, particularly the noble Lo...

Lord Lucas | 832 c952 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out “an animal” and insert “a ...

Lord Lucas | 832 c953 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in search of this rather elusive rapprochement which my noble friend on the Front Bench...

Lord Bellingham | 832 cc953-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I compliment my noble friend on his amendment, which has the great benefit of substanti...

Lord Moore of Etchingham | 832 c954 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall just add to that, supporting the noble Lord, Lord Bellingham, and the amendment...

Lord Mancroft | 832 cc954-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that is a very helpful intervention. There are some noble Lords who think this ...

Baroness Fookes | 832 c955 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships will probably not be surprised that I do not agree with my noble friend ...

Lord Benyon | 832 c955 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I set out earlier my thoughts on these amendments. My noble friend Lord Lucas is a very...

Lord Bellingham | 832 c955 (Link to this contribution)

I will just add on that last point: surely we should stick to the manifesto commitment, which is ...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c955 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to follow that up, it seems strange that my noble friend the Minister lamented that the...

Lord Benyon | 832 c955 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the reasons I enjoy being in this House is that we have to achieve compromises i...

Earl of Caithness | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my noble friend would give consideration to answering the question I put to him....

Lord Benyon | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

We are seeking to implement the manifesto commitment.

Lord Lucas | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am naturally disappointed in that, but I shall not give up during the course of rest ...

Lord Robathan | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Robathan

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, leave out “an animal to which thi...

Lord Robathan | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move the amendment standing in my name. I do not wish to repeat everything tha...

Lord Teverson | 832 c956 (Link to this contribution)

I just intervene to say that the noble Lord is the opposition; we are the other side, as far as I...

Lord Robathan | 832 c957 (Link to this contribution)

This is a Private Member’s Bill, not a government Bill, apparently, and on the Opposition Benches...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c957 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. The noble Lord opposite makes a very interesting...

Lord Robathan | 832 c957 (Link to this contribution)

Anyway, to go back to the matter in hand, I would say that, when I and several other noble Lords ...

Lord Swire | 832 c957 (Link to this contribution)

Just for clarification, when these Ministers and MPs took all the trouble to come from Africa to ...

Lord Robathan | 832 cc957-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am indeed aware: none. Which was a pity, and it was especially a pity that my noble friend...

Lord Bellingham | 832 c958 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify one matter. I actually feel quite strongly that we need to improve this Bi...

Lord Robathan | 832 c958 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend because I will come on to a compromise in a minute.

This B...

Lord Roborough | 832 cc958-960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in support of my noble friend Lord Robathan’s Amendment 5. I declare an...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. We have been told that the motivations behind this Bill are t...

Lord Robathan | 832 c960 (Link to this contribution)

I was in the House of Commons for 23 years. I do not know if I achieved anything useful; I did tr...

Lord Bellingham | 832 c960 (Link to this contribution)

I got one actually, over more than 23 years.

Lord Robathan | 832 c960 (Link to this contribution)

You got one, but you were there for longer than I was.

Lord Mancroft | 832 cc960-1 (Link to this contribution)

Well, it was lovely to have that domestic entertainment, but the point I was trying to make is th...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 832 c961 (Link to this contribution)

It is interesting that the noble Lord, Lord Robathan, said no one asked him about this. My noble ...

Lord Swire | 832 c961 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness may well be right, because I was in the House of Commons until 2019 and I got ...

Lord Mancroft | 832 c961 (Link to this contribution)

If we are all making confessions, I was not in the House of Commons and I never had a letter, but...

Lord Bellingham | 832 cc961-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to pick up a few points that have come out of this debate on the amendment so ab...

Lord Swire | 832 c963 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too will be very interested in my noble friend the Minister’s reply to this amendment...

Earl of Caithness | 832 cc963-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened to the debate so far, I think that this amendment is slightly closer to...

Lord Benyon | 832 c964 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said earlier, I spoke at some length on the first amendment and covered many of th...

Lord Robathan | 832 cc964-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note that almost all the speeches have been in favour of this amendment. That is beca...

832 c965 (Link to this contribution)

You are younger than Joe Biden.

Lord Robathan | 832 c965 (Link to this contribution)

I am younger than Joe Biden. However, my wife and my children in particular tell me how old I am....

Lord Robathan | 832 c965 (Link to this contribution)

They do. Because people are urging me to, I think I will test the opinion of the House.

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