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Online Safety Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 6 July 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay. The answering member was Lord Stevenson of Balmacara.
Lords report stage first day. Amendments 27 and 31 agreed to. (Part 2 of 3).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
831 cc1363-1403 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 22 June 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Thursday, 6 July 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Thursday, 6 July 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1363 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

27: Schedule 1, page 185, line 11, leave out f...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1363-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government are committed to protecting children against accessing pornography onlin...


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Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, has unfortunately been briefly detained. If you are su...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc1364-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to welcome the fact that there is a series of amendments here where “bot...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to elucidate whether the Minister has any kind of brief on my Amendment 152...

Bishop of Oxford | 831 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I warmly welcome this group of amendments. I am very grateful to the Government for a n...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc1365-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a quick-fire debate on matters where most of us probably cannot even understand...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1366-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a short but important debate and I am grateful to noble Lords for their b...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Allan of Hallam

28: Schedule 1, page 185, line 23, at end insert—

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc1367-1370 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we enter the final stages of consideration of this Bill, it is a good time to focus ...

Lord Moylan | 831 cc1368-1372 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 29 and 30 stand in my name. I fully appreciated, as I prepared my thoughts a...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 831 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendments 281 to 281B. I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Harding a...

Baroness Kidron | 831 cc1373-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support many of the amendments in this group. I will start with Amend...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc1374-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a danger of unanimity breaking out. The noble Lord, Lord Moylan, and I are not...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also speak in support of Amendments to 281, 281A and 281B, to which I have added my n...

Bishop of Oxford | 831 cc1376-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I broadly support all the amendments in this group but I will focus on the three amendm...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 831 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying amen—not to the right reverend Prelate but to my noble friend Lady Ha...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 cc1377-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate, as it is a real contrast. We have one set of a...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc1378-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, much like the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, I started off being quite certain I knew ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1379-1380 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for their contributions during this debate. I am sympathetic to argu...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

I would just like to finish my thought on Wikipedia. Noble Lords are right to mention it and to h...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

I am computing the various pieces of information that have just been given, and I hope the Minist...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State could create further exemptions but would have to bring those before Parli...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will keep pressing this point because it is quite important, particularly in the cont...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

To follow on from that, we are talking about the obligation to bring exemptions to Parliament. We...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

I may as well intervene now as well, so that the Minister can get a good run at this. I too am co...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1381-3 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that it is, but it will be helpful to have a debate on categorisation later on Rep...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely it is the role of the regulators to look at functionalities of this kind. The Mi...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I was not as clear as I could or should have been. The regulator will set out in guidance...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

But these functionalities are a part of their business model, are they not?

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Hence Ofcom will make the assessments about categorisation based on that. Maybe I am missing the ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I think we may need further discussions on the amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Russell.

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I will check what I said but I hope that I have set out why we have taken the approach that we ha...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a very useful debate. I appreciate the Minister’s response and his “yes, no, m...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1384 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

31: Clause 5, page 4, line 40, leave out “sect...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1384-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the government amendments in this group relate to the categories of primary priority an...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 831 cc1386-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we spent a lot of time in Committee raising concerns about how pornography and age veri...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1387 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the noble Baroness’s comments relate to the next group of amendments, on pornog...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 831 c1387 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. In conclusion, I hope he will reflect on those issues and come bac...

Baroness Kidron | 831 cc1387-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 174 in my name and then more broadly to this group—I...

Lord Moylan | 831 cc1389-1390 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a comment about Amendment 174 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron. I ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 cc1390-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, interestingly, because I have not discussed this at all with the noble Lord, Lord Moyla...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 cc1391-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not entirely sure how to begin, but I will try to make the points I was going to m...

Bishop of Oxford | 831 c1393 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too welcome these amendments and thank the Minister and the Government for tabling th...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 cc1393-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 172 is exceptionally helpful in putting the priority harms for children on th...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

I just have a question for the noble Lord. He has given an excellent exposé of the other things t...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 831 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

On the noble Baroness’s point, that is why I intervened in the debate: so that we are all clear. ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 831 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our debate on this group is on the topic of priority harms to children. It is not one t...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 831 cc1396-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly as I know that we are waiting for a Statement.

If you talk t...

Lord Clement-Jones | 831 c1397 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief, my Lords, because I know we have a Statement to follow. It is a pleasure to fol...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 831 cc1397-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Harding, I want to make it very clear that I think the Ho...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1399 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a useful debate. As the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, says, because I spok...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c1399 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, the point that I made about the BBFC was not to suggest a similar arrangement but to...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1399-1400 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will think about it, but the difficulty is the scale of the material and the speed wi...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

I clarify that what I said was aimed at protecting children. Somebody corrected me and asked, “Do...

Lord Moylan | 831 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

I take this opportunity to ask my noble friend the Minister a question; I want some clarity about...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

As was pointed out by others in the debate, the key provision in Amendment 172 is subsection (2) ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 831 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

I will keep this short, because I know that everyone wants to get on. It would be said that it is...

Lord Moylan | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend seemed to confirm what I said. If I wish to be abusive—in fact, I do wish to be a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend wish to do that and direct it at children?

Lord Moylan | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, it does not say “directed at children”. Of course, I am safe in expressing that abu...

Baroness Kidron | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

I will leap to the Minister’s defence on this occasion. I remind noble colleagues that this is no...

Lord Moylan | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these words have obviously appeared in the Bill in one of those unverified sections; I ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 831 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

May I attempt to assist the Minister? This is the “amber” point described by the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 831 cc1401-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we may be slipping back into a Committee-style conversation. My noble friend Lord Moyla...

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