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Public Order Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 7 February 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Sharpe of Epsom. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Lord Coaker.
Lord report stage second day. Amendment 47 agreed to on division (285 to 208). Amendment 48 disagreed to on division (240 to 254). Amendment 50 disagreed to on division (239 to 248). Amendment 54 agreed to on division (283 to 192). Amendment 56 agreed to on division (259 to 200). Amendment 63 agreed to on division (247 to 192). Amendments 65 to 70 and 73 to 75 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 102).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
827 cc1097-1157 
Session
2022-23
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Legislative scrutiny: Public Order Bill. Joint Committee on Human Rights first report.
Wednesday, 8 June 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Public Order Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventeenth report.
Thursday, 3 November 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Public Order Bill. Constitution Committee seventh report.
Wednesday, 9 November 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Public Order Bill 2022-23. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 13 December 2022
Bills
House of Lords

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Public Order Bill 2022-23. As amended on Report.
Tuesday, 7 February 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Paddick | 827 c1098 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

46: Leave out Clause 10

Lord Paddick | 827 cc1098-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 46 in my name and to speak to Amendment 47, to which I have ad...


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Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 827 cc1099-1100 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this House is wonderful. Your Lordships have heard from a former police officer exactly...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 cc1100-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise in support of my noble friend Lord Coaker and of my friend the distinguished for...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 827 c1101 (Link to this contribution)

I have great sympathy for the noble Baroness’s argument and that advanced by the noble Lord, Lord...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 c1101 (Link to this contribution)

This being not Committee but Report, the simplest and speediest answer that I can give to the nob...

Bishop of Manchester | 827 cc1101-2 (Link to this contribution)

I too speak in support of the amendments to remove Clauses 10 and 11, to which I have added my na...

Lord Deben | 827 c1102 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a question. I am imagining the circumstances with which the police are faced. In...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way, but I am afraid that he is wrong about the ...

Baroness Meacher | 827 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are not focusing right now—nor should we be, in my view—on the issue of the lack of ...

Lord Deben | 827 c1103 (Link to this contribution)

What a good intervention that was; I much agree with it. Returning to the previous intervention, ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 827 c1104 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when my younger son was 18 or 19, he went around with black friends, and he was stopped...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 cc1104-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I broadly support the position of having stop and search with cause, although I know th...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 827 c1105 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Constitution Committee looked at the Bill with some care and was concerned about tw...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 827 cc1105-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 46 and 47. I say a very loud, “Hear, hear” to the impassioned inte...

Lord Hacking | 827 c1106 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will carry through a bit further the citation from my noble friend Lady Fox of the no...

Lord Hacking | 827 c1106 (Link to this contribution)

I have never been very good on the rivers of Essex.

Lord Hacking | 827 c1106 (Link to this contribution)

For the reasons that the noble Lord gave in his short speech, these statements by the noble Baron...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 827 cc1106-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we are on Report and not in Committee, I will make three short points.

First, ...

Viscount Stansgate | 827 c1108 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make one point about Clause 11, which in my view should not be in the Bill. I...

Lord Coaker | 827 cc1108-1110 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 47 in my name, for which I am grateful for the support of ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 827 c1110 (Link to this contribution)

Surely it is not just a matter of black and ethnic minorities. We do not know who were the two ca...

Lord Coaker | 827 cc1110-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Anderson for that important point.

My example is that around P...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1111-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, seeks to remove the suspicion-led...

Lord Paddick | 827 c1113 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken from all sides of the House and of the debate, ...

Lord Coaker | 827 c1113 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

47: Leave out Clause 11

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1114-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

48: Before Clause 15, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1119-1120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now turn back to government Amendments 48 to 51, which relate to the definition of s...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

50: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti

54: After Clause 18, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 c1128 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the totally uncontroversial matter of protecting journalists from abuse ...

Baroness Boycott | 827 cc1128-9 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief, because I know that time is of the essence. I begin by reading a very short ext...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 827 c1129 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is hard to overemphasise the importance of this amendment. It is firmly rooted in Ar...

Lord Garnier | 827 c1129 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I could not put a cigarette paper between the arguments of the two previous speakers an...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 cc1129-1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not support the amendment, and I do this at some danger, because one of my roommat...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 827 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disagree very strongly with the noble Lord, because I think he is wrong. Once you giv...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

Mistakes are made; people are arrested wrongly. The police find acute problem-solving solutions w...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 827 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

I speak as the mother of a journalist, so I have a vested interest here, but journalists do not g...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Hogan-Howe, has said. This is really a matter of de...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but I do not think the noble Baroness has focused on the point that a lot of demonstrators w...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 827 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Viscount for giving way. The word “journalist” is not in the amendment—just “a ...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that. I did not realise that the noble and learned Lord was intervening—I apologise ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 827 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if anything illustrates why this amendment is needed, it is the last few exchanges. A n...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 c1131 (Link to this contribution)

May I respond to the noble Baroness, because I think she misrepresented what I said? I think I sa...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 c1132 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if I could help the noble Lord, Lord Hogan-Howe, because he has not, with respect, read ...

Lord Davies of Gower | 827 c1132 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind noble Lords that this is Report stage and they have one opportunity to speak.<...

Lord Cormack | 827 c1132 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad that my noble friend has just said that, because it was the point I was going...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 827 c1132 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to follow what my noble friend just said, or at least the beginning of his remarks f...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 827 c1133 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I may be labouring under a misapprehension, but surely there is a critical difference b...

Lord Paddick | 827 c1133 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there cannot be any legitimate objection to journalists, legal observers, academics or ...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 827 cc1133-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is something to be said for semaphore in the wider sense. That is, one of the pro...

Lord Coaker | 827 c1134 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support the amendment moved by my noble friend Lady Chakrabarti and if she divides t...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1134-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for my slightly tardy arrival.

Amendment 54, tabled by the noble Baro...

Lord Garnier | 827 c1135 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, PACE is nearly 40 years old. Is not the training completed?

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1135-6 (Link to this contribution)

My noble and learned friend makes a very fair point, but the College of Policing and the National...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short but vital debate. Once m...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 827 cc1136-7 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is not about preventing the arrest of anybody, journalist or otherwise, who is rea...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 827 c1137 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

56: Clause 19, page 22, line 20, leave out sub-para...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 827 cc1137-1142 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to propose a number of amendments to Part 2 of the Bill, which provides for seri...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 827 cc1142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, said, I support all but one of his amendments. The on...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make three brief comments about these amendments. First, regarding the trigger p...

Lord Paddick | 827 cc1143-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, most of the amendments in this group seek to restrict the proposed pr...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 827 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to be clear at the outset, we will support Amendment 56 in the name of the noble Lord, ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1145-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this shortish debate. This group contai...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c1146 (Link to this contribution)

I interpreted that subsection to mean that the statement could be in writing if the person did no...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 cc1146-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will need to clarify that but, given the other things that I have said, it would imply—I stress...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 827 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will recall that I described my Amendments 57 and 61 as clarificatory. It seemed to ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

I can clarify that that is the Government’s understanding.

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 827 cc1148-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that and for his engagement throughout this process. I am also ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 827 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

63: Leave out Clause 20

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

65: Clause 21, page 26, line 12, leave out paragraph (c...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

66: Clause 22, page 27, line 17, leave out subsection (...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

67: Leave out Clause 23

Member’s explanatory stat...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

68: Clause 25, page 30, line 17, leave out subsections ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

69: Clause 28, page 32, line 32, at end insert—

“...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

70: Clause 28, page 32, line 33, leave out subsection (...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 827 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot call Amendment 71 due to pre-emption.

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

73: Leave out Clause 32

Member’s explanatory stat...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

74: Clause 33, page 35, leave out lines line 22 to 24

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 827 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

75: Clause 35, page 36, line 22, leave out “, 13 and 23...

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