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Energy Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 12 December 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Callanan and Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist. The answering members were Lord Lennie and Baroness Blake of Leeds.
Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 84 to 87 agreed to as amended. Clauses 88 to 99 agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to. Clause 100 agreed to as amended. Clauses 101 to 109 agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
826 cc63-104GC 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Energy Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 6 July 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Callanan | 826 c63GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

90: Clause 84, page 75, line 30, leave out “and legacy”

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Lord Callanan | 826 cc63-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to be back in Committee once again, debating the Energy Bill. I ...


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Lord Teverson | 826 c65GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the Bill’s return to Committee; I am very pleased that that is the case. I ha...

Lord Lennie | 826 cc65-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am also delighted to be debating the Energy Bill again. I am delighted that the noble...

Lord Callanan | 826 c66GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Lord, Lord Lennie, for their comments, but I...

Lord Callanan | 826 c66GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

91: Clause 84, page 75, line 31, leave out “82(5)” and insert ...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc66-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

92: Clause 85, page 75, line 36, leave out “carbon storage” an...

Lord Young of Cookham | 826 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must inform the Committee that if Amendment 98 is agreed to, I will be unable to call...

Lord Callanan | 826 c67GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

98: Clause 85, page 76, line 33, leave out from beginning to e...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc67-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

101: Clause 85, page 77, line 9, leave out “carbon storage” an...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c68GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist

105: Clause 86, page 78, line 12, at ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 cc68-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 105 to 109 amend Clause 86 on the availability of change of use relief for p...

Lord Teverson | 826 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I really have just one question for the Minister, and it is on decommissioning funds. I...

826 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

They are all government amendments.

Lord Teverson | 826 c69GC (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me. I am looking at a slightly out-of-date document. Anyway, that is the area that I woul...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 826 cc69-70GC (Link to this contribution)

I too welcome the return of the Bill. It is quite interesting to reflect back to the first and se...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c70GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Blake, for their remarks. I w...

Lord Teverson | 826 c70GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that very useful answer. Let me get that correct: the funds are being he...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c70GC (Link to this contribution)

It could be a commercial company. It depends who gets the contract for the funds. Then they will ...

Lord Lennie | 826 c70GC (Link to this contribution)

Are the funds held in escrow so that they cannot be used for anything else, or can they be used a...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c71GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not think we have a detailed enough answer, so perhaps we should follow up in writing.

Lord Teverson | 826 c71GC (Link to this contribution)

I have a concern about this area and I think it is important that this is clarified.

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c71GC (Link to this contribution)

We will clarify that point in writing before the next stage.

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 cc71-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist

106: Clause 86, page 78, line 13, lea...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 c72GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist

110: Clause 87, page 80, line 3, leav...

Lord Lennie | 826 c72GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lennie

113: Clause 90, page 83, line 25, at end insert—

“(aa) the...

Lord Lennie | 826 cc72-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments refer to Clauses 90 and 91. They concern consultation over the CCUS st...

Lord Teverson | 826 c73GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was getting ahead of myself on the last group, and I apologise to the Grand Committee...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc73-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Lennie and Lord Teverson, for their concern about whoever might be ...

Lord Teverson | 826 c74GC (Link to this contribution)

May I come back to the Minister on Amendment 114? It seems very restrictive to consult as the Sec...

Lord Callanan | 826 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that is the case. As a Minister, I have issued many consultations. In my experienc...

Lord Lennie | 826 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment that seeks to include the Opposition as part of the formal consultation w...

Baroness Worthington | 826 c75GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

117: Clause 98, page 90, line 32, leave out “may by reg...

Baroness Worthington | 826 cc76-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too am glad to be back debating energy. As has been noted, we find ourselves in a com...

Lord Lennie | 826 cc77-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, 95% of UK homes are centrally heated and most CO2 emissions come from burnin...

Lord Naseby | 826 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

On Amendment 121, the Minister knows as well as I do that extensive work is being done on a 20% h...

Baroness Sheehan | 826 c79GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise in support of Amendments 117, 118 and 122. If we are to move towards cleaning up heat, we ...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc79-81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will start with my Amendments 123 and 124. Amendment 123 seeks to provide additional ...

Lord Teverson | 826 cc81-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wanted to give the Minister the opportunity to introduce his amendments, but I will s...

Lord Callanan | 826 c82GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes a good point. Before he corrected himself, I was about to contradict him and...

Baroness Worthington | 826 cc82-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I am somewhat reassured by the timetable that these regula...

Lord Callanan | 826 c83GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

123: Clause 100, page 92, line 26, at end insert—

“(2A) ...

Baroness Randerson | 826 cc83-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Randerson

124A: After Clause 107, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Randerson | 826 cc84-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I decided to table this amendment, because I felt that it was important to draw attention to what...

Baroness Worthington | 826 cc85-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 124A, as presented by the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson. I ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 826 cc86-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of these amendments but I also have huge qualms about hydrogen and...

Lord Whitty | 826 cc87-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, much has been said already. I agree with the main thrust of the amendment tabled by the...

Baroness Worthington | 826 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to speak a second time—I am not sure whether I am allowed—but may I speak to...

Baroness Sheehan | 826 cc89-90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a member of the House of Lords Science and Technology Committee, I took part in the ...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 826 c90GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, in her two Amendments 130A and 130B and...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 826 cc90-1GC (Link to this contribution)

This has become a very rich debate. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, for putting her a...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 826 cc91-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who participated in the debate, particularly those who tabled a...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 826 c92GC (Link to this contribution)

Could I just point out that it is easier not to send loads of CO2 out into the atmosph...

Baroness Randerson | 826 cc92-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have taken part in this short debate. I knew that I would provoke...

Lord Callanan | 826 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know what the noble Baroness is doing; she is supposed to be deciding whether she will w...

Baroness Randerson | 826 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Grand Committee it is normal to allow people the courtesy to respond to well-made po...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 826 c94GC (Link to this contribution)

We have discussed the issue of hydrogen, so I will delight your Lordships by saving my voice. I d...

Baroness Worthington | 826 c95GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to the Clause 108 and Clause 109 stand part notices and to Amendment 12...

Lord Teverson | 826 cc95-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I particularly support the proposal to take out Clauses 108 and 109. I did not put my n...

Lord Lennie | 826 cc96-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments relate to Clauses 108 and 109—Chapter 2 in Part 3—on hydrogen grid con...

Lord Callanan | 826 c97GC (Link to this contribution)

I will start with Amendments 125 to 127; I thank the noble Lords, Lord Teverson and Lord Lennie, ...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc97-100GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish, then the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, will be able to come back.

I will...

Lord Lennie | 826 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that no one would be forced to take part in the trial. I appreciate that but, f...

Lord Callanan | 826 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

The answer to both of those questions is yes. No one will be forced to take part in the trial. If...

Lord Teverson | 826 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify what areas are being looked at? I have seen Redcar, Whitby and Fife bein...

Lord Callanan | 826 c99GC (Link to this contribution)

There is already a small-scale trial in Fife in Scotland. There are two shortlisted villages, Red...

Baroness Worthington | 826 cc99-101GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respond on behalf of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, on the stand part notice that we...

Lord Callanan | 826 cc101-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me just respond to the noble Baroness’s point and reiterate once again that nobody will be fo...

Baroness Worthington | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister point to where in the Bill it states that there is a right to refusal and cons...

Lord Callanan | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I am giving the noble Baroness that assurance now, and it will be in the regulations. I am happy ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned having meetings. Has he actually met scientists, who know more about this ...

Lord Callanan | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I have met a lot of people to discuss these schemes.

Lord Callanan | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I know that the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, has her very passionate views, but there are lots of ...

Baroness Worthington | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

With a Bill of this magnitude, if we are saying that it is a principle that there is a right to r...

Lord Lennie | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I briefly support that? The place to put it is under protection of consumers in the Bill. The...

Baroness Sheehan | 826 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Lennie, and the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, on...

Lord Callanan | 826 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me reiterate once again. Noble Lords are getting involved in the detail of what these trials ...

Lord Teverson | 826 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

In defence of my noble friend, I think it is reasonable to ask the Minister to come

Lord Callanan | 826 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

The initial intention is for them to last two years, but we will want to come back and look at al...

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