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Higher Education (Freedom of Speech) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 7 December 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe, Viscount Younger of Leckie and Baroness Barran. The answering members were Baroness Thornton and Lord Collins of Highbury.
Lords report stage. Amendments 2 and 3, 6 to 9, 12 to 14 and 17 to 20 agreed to. Amendment 22 agreed to on division (218 to 175). Amendments 24 and 31 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 79).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
826 cc181-250 
Session
2022-23
Legislative stage
Report stage
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House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 cc181-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert—

“(...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 cc182-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will pause for a moment to allow noble Lords to leave the Chamber.

My Lords, there are tw...


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Lord Moylan | 826 cc183-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great privilege to speak after the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighe...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 826 c184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord may be being rather kind to the Prussian police. I have no doubt that in...

Lord Moylan | 826 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to take the historical dispute offline, as they say, and discuss it with the noble Lor...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 826 c185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches we very much welcome the government amendments in this group. We con...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 826 c185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, for introducing this group. When we were...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc185-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to address the group of amendments concerning the free speech duties. As y...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 c187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have spoken in this short debate and, in particular, to ...

Baroness Barran | 826 c187 (Link to this contribution)

I think I heard the noble and learned Lord say “freedom of expression” in this Bill, but I think ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 826 cc187-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes—I have got them the wrong way round, as I frequently do. But it does not really matter, becau...

Baroness Barran | 826 c188 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

2: Clause 1, page 2, line 4, leave out “, beliefs or views” ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 c188 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Fox of Buckley

4: Clause 1, page 2, line 14, at end insert—

“...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 cc188-191 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of Amendment 4 in my name is that the law should recognise that one of the ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 cc191-2 (Link to this contribution)

In speaking to my Amendment 5, I shall comment briefly on the previous speech. In all my experien...

Lord Moylan | 826 cc192-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think I have said this before in your Lordships’ House, but I stand in almost ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 826 cc193-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind noble Lords of my interests in the register. I celebrate the fact that the Eur...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 826 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I will add to the comments of the noble Baroness, and declare an interest as the chancellor of a ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 826 c194 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord raises a very important point, but is it not the case that many public i...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 826 c194 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very brief. There is a danger of this debate widening out too far. In Committee, I advo...

Earl Howe | 826 cc195-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, the amendments in this group relate to the important issue of academi...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 cc196-7 (Link to this contribution)

I really appreciated the comments of noble Lords in this short debate. I want to stress a couple ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 826 cc197-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Collins of Highbury

6: Clause 1, page 2, line 34, at end insert—

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Earl Howe | 826 c198 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

7: Clause 1, page 2, line 36, leave out from “speech” to end of li...

Earl Howe | 826 c198 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

9: Clause 1, page 2, line 38, at end insert—

““member”, in r...

Earl Howe | 826 cc198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, government Amendments 9, 12 and 31 are officially classed as “minor and technical” alth...

Lord Grabiner | 826 c199 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just a very brief point. I welcome, in particular, the amendments brought by the...

Earl Howe | 826 c200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Grabiner. I think that is an extremely helpful suggestion ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 826 c200 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

11: Clause 1, page 3, line 13, after “activity,” in...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 826 cc200-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will move Amendment 11 and speak to Amendments 15 and 25, alongside my noble friend B...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 826 cc201-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support this amendment, to which I have added my name. I will try not...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 826 c202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not oppose this amendment at all. I can see why it might be possible for material ...

Lord Lucas | 826 c202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am thoroughly with the spirit of this amendment. I have a child currently at universi...

Lord Grabiner | 826 c203 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the comments and observations made by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings H...

Baroness Altmann | 826 c203 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to echo the points made. I think the spirit of these amendments is impor...

Lord Triesman | 826 cc203-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a brief point, because I know that everybody wants to make progress, but...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 826 c204 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments all refer to student unions. We have been concerned about the rather h...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c204 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a thorough exploration of the issues that would face student unions as a re...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc204-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will address this group of amendments relating to codes of practice and the guidance ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 826 c206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that has been a very helpful debate and I thank all noble Lords who have taken part. My...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc206-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

12: Clause 2, page 4, line 14, at end insert—

““member...

Earl Howe | 826 c207 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

13: Clause 3, page 4, line 41, leave out “, beliefs or views” and ...

Earl Howe | 826 c207 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

17: Clause 4, page 6, line 22, after “A1” insert “that causes the ...

Earl Howe | 826 cc207-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government have tabled Amendments 17, 18 and 19 in response to an amendment tabled ...

Lord Grabiner | 826 cc208-211 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl the Minister and the Minister the noble Baroness, Lady Barran, f...

Lord Moylan | 826 cc211-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 21, standing in my name. It dawned on me, as I said in Com...

Lord Moylan | 826 c212 (Link to this contribution)

Now that was a heckle of some value.

To conclude, it might be nice if the Front Bench, whic...

Lord Willetts | 826 cc212-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 22 in my name and those of other Members of this House. I ...

Lord Blunkett | 826 cc214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, encores are rarely worth the value of the extra time, but the noble Lords, Lord Grabine...

Baroness Shafik | 826 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 22, to which I have attached my name. I declare my inte...

Lord Moore of Etchingham | 826 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot call the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, my noble friend because I am non-affiliate...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 826 cc217-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to detain the House too long because I realise that there will be a move ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 cc218-220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Strathcarron, I have put my name to Amendment 21 in the name ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 826 c220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after a lifetime in the law, I was thrilled beyond all else to hear what my noble frien...

Baroness Altmann | 826 c220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support many of the comments that have been made. As a non-lawyer, I think it is impr...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the Second Reading speeches that most impressed me was from the noble Viscount, ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 826 c222 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a confession to make: when I spoke at Second Reading, I expressed the opinion th...

Earl Howe | 826 cc222-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by expressing my thanks to noble and noble and learned Lords from all Benches o...

Lord Grabiner | 826 c223 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. With respect, I did not say that they would not be ...

Earl Howe | 826 cc223-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. It is not the only reason for the tort, as I shall go on to expl...

Earl Howe | 826 cc226-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

18: Clause 4, page 6, line 25, after “A1” insert “that causes the ...

Lord Willetts | 826 c227 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Willetts

22: Clause 4, leave out Clause 4

Lord Willetts | 826 c227 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to seek the opinion of the House on this amendment. It has been a really valuable an...

Lord Sikka | 826 cc227-231 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sikka

23: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—

“Resea...

Lord Sikka | 826 cc231-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, and the nobl...

Lord Moylan | 826 cc232-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 23 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Sikka. I said at...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 cc234-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is with pleasure that I support the noble Lord, Lord Sikka, in his Amendment 23. Nob...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 cc235-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Sikka, for tabling this amendment. It is such an important...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 cc236-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot agree with the noble Baroness that ideological capture takes place in as quite...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 826 c237 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Faculty of Music at Oxford University does excellent research. Earlier on, the nobl...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 826 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, on the horse’s mouth, I did not get my information from the Telegraph; I got it from mus...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 826 cc237-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Sikka knows the Labour Front Bench’s position on his amendment, be...

Earl Howe | 826 c238 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 23 tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Sikka, seeks to ensure that the provision o...

Lord Sikka | 826 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister and all the other participants in this debate for the vital points ...

Baroness Henig | 826 c240 (Link to this contribution)

Before we continue, I must just correct the record on the recent vote on Amendment 22. There were...

Earl Howe | 826 c240 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

24: Clause 5, page 7, line 12, leave out “the promotion of” and in...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c240 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

26: Clause 9, page 12, line 41, after “provider” insert “o...

Baroness Thornton | 826 cc240-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have three amendments in this group, which have been proposed by my noble friend Lor...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 826 c241 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these Amendments. Amendment 26 is self-explanatory, and it would be great if ...

Lord Patten of Barnes | 826 cc241-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in support of those observations. I speak at a university that is in recei...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 c242 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Government will take this away, consider whether there is a way of adap...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc242-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will address this group of amendments relating to overseas funding and the applicatio...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I think what the Minister said was quite clear, but the concern is whether that is a satisfactory...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc243-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, it builds on the existing approach to regulation of constituent colleges.

Amendm...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I am still not clear how the fishing expedition that the noble Lord, Lord Patten, mentioned would...

Baroness Barran | 826 c245 (Link to this contribution)

Given the hour, I am more than happy to set that out in detail in a letter to the noble Baroness....

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 826 c245 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am terribly sorry to interrupt the Minister’s flow again. I am very grateful to her f...

Baroness Barran | 826 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the noble Baroness’s request. I hope my letter will be able to reassure your Lordships tha...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c245 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the Minister will understand that the House is still not satisfied that we are ...

Baroness Thornton | 826 cc245-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

29: Clause 10, page 15, line 11, at end insert—

“(1A...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords will know that we have galloped around the director of free speech’s appointment seve...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 cc246-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on Amendment 30, which is an alternative version, and I wish to add my conce...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 826 c247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have attached my name to Amendment 29 in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Collins, a...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 826 c247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of both amendments, but I am rising to add to my declaration of in...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc247-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will now address the group of amendments concerning the appointment of the new direct...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c249 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister say whether the chief executive or chair could refuse to allow the director for ...

Baroness Barran | 826 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I do not strictly know the answer to the noble Baroness’s question, but that wou...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 826 c249 (Link to this contribution)

The reason why we stress the importance of this appointment commanding confidence is that, when w...

Baroness Barran | 826 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes several important points, the first being the quality of our universities an...

Baroness Thornton | 826 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that extensive explanation. We are probably 50% happy and 50% still worr...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 826 c250 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

31: The Schedule, page 19, line 40, at end insert...

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