Public Order Bill

My Lords, Amendment 80A is in my name. I will also speak to the other amendments in this group. I...

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 98 and 99, to which my noble friend Lady Sugg just referred....

Would the noble Lord address the point that regulations are unamendable?

I thank the noble Viscount for the intervention. I would have thought that regulations are amenda...

They are not, and they never have been.

These regulations would allow for sunset and review provisions to be included, so the legislation...

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 98 in the name of Lord Farmer, and Amendments 88 and 90 in th...

My Lords, I understand that the Minister has already concluded that freedoms will be curtailed by...

My Lords, I speak to my Amendments 85, 88 and 90 to this clause. I make it clear that, although I...

I rise to address Amendments 85 to 88, 90 and 92, to which my right reverend friend the Bishop of...

I have some difficulty in understanding the thinking behind this amendment. If a sermon was being...

I thank the noble Viscount for his intervention. As the noble Lord, Lord Beith, said a few minute...

My Lords, I rise to support many of the people who have spoken today but in particular the amendm...

My Lords, I am in agreement with the Clause 9 amendments put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady ...

My Lords, a lot of reference has been made to the 2018 Home Office review. Does my noble friend n...

Does the noble Baroness think that these women are lying about how they feel about the approaches...

No I am not, but it is a different thing than finding people guilty of allegedly interfering and ...

My Lords, I rise to support the amendments standing in the name of my noble friend Lady Fox of Bu...

My Lords, I fully support the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Fox of Buckley, and t...

I agree with the noble Baroness on her point about private dwellings. We have tabled Amendment 96...

If I may continue, I have a simple example on private dwellings. A woman leaving her home on her ...

If the noble Baroness were to listen carefully to what the noble Baroness, Lady Sugg, said and to...

I am debating the amendments to which I am speaking.

Clause 9 is unworkable in its current ...

My Lords, we need a little calm in this situation. I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Beith, mad...

I hesitate to intervene on the noble Lord, who is very wise on these matters, but given that he i...

I am delighted to tell the noble Baroness what my opinion is. My opinion is based on real sadness...

I agree with what my noble friend is saying about timetables, but in response to the noble Barone...

They might have voted for all sorts of reasons. We have already heard that Stella Creasy refused ...

I want to clarify that I am not suggesting that we should not stop problems outside abortion clin...

I was a constituency MP for 40 years, so I have a bit of knowledge of it. We must make sure we do...

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow my noble friend and to be educated by him.

I speak in ...

My Lords, I have Amendment 93A in this group. In the spirit of scrutiny, I wondered what “an abor...

My Lords, I am in general opposed to those of the amendments which are designed to reduce the imp...

I mentioned at Second Reading that the BBC did a poll which found that 15% of women who went to a...

Parliament is in a position to make a judgment about these matters. I was in the House of Commons...

My Lords, my difficulty is this. In interpreting things in the way he is, the noble Viscount is s...

It is, because we are being asking what the evidence is. I was telling the noble Baroness that, w...

Is the noble Viscount aware of any statistics on the number of people now who are being prosecute...

I am not, but what I am telling the Committee is that those who have a great many dealings with t...

May I remind my noble friend that he and I cast many votes during the debates on Brexit, regardle...

I agree with that, but I think my noble friend is overlooking the fact that, in the House of Comm...

My Lords, I did not expect to say how much I agree with the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsham. It mea...

My Lords, I quite openly accepted that the noble Baroness, Lady Sugg, sought in a number of respe...

I accept that. However, others who support this suite of amendments have been asked about the ame...

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 94, lest it be overlooked in considering the broader issues i...

Does the noble Lord understand that prosecutors, in authorising and not authorising charges, have...

Is the noble Lord also aware that one of the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Sugg, ...

The noble Lord, Lord Beith, did say that it went some way in this regard, but that it did not dea...

My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate, has it not? We have spent almost as much time debat...

My Lords, I am acutely aware of the time and, having spoken extensively in favour of Clause 9 at ...

My Lords, I do not want to prolong this debate, which has been extremely interesting and very rew...

The query about “reasonable excuse” has come up before. It has been suggested that free speech wo...

The noble Baroness is wrestling with the same problem I had in dealing with “reasonable excuse” i...

My Lords, I rise briefly to support Clause 9. During this debate, I found myself challenged by ou...

My Lords, I made an extensive speech at Second Reading so I shall confine myself to just a few po...

I am not objecting to the idea behind that clause; all I am saying is that the wording seems to m...

I very much welcome the noble and learned Lord’s help in trying to find a suitable wording for wh...

Does the noble Baroness agree with me that there is clear evidence of a concerted effort by well-...

I do not think there is any doubt about that; the evidence is—

On the point about evidence, we are hearing people’s opinions about what the evidence is. Surely ...

The noble Lord, Lord Farmer, raised a question about the intimidation of women in clinics. He kno...

Accepting that there should be a penalty for harassment, can I ask the noble Baroness whether she...

I suggest that the noble Lord goes back and reads the clause and the terms of interference. I do ...

I have an inquiry about PSPOs which has been raised. When PSPOs were originally advocated by pro-...

The answer is that the situation has moved on, so what was an answer before the existence of PSPO...

We on these Benches accept that many people have strong views both on abortion and on this clause...

Is the noble Lord saying that we should have buffer zones outside every location at which somebod...

My noble friend’s amendment is a probing amendment for the House to consider what sort of premise...

My Lords, this has been a wide-ranging debate that has re-run a lot of the points from Second Rea...

No pressure.

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for his closing words; as the noble Lord, Lord P...

Does my noble friend the Minister agree that the clause as inserted by the other place calls for ...

I say again to my noble friend—I have said it before, and I am happy to say it again—that the Gov...

My Lords, I thank all Members of the Committee for a wide range of speeches, ensuring that we hav...

My Lords, I intend to oppose the question that Clauses 10 and 11 stand part of the Bill, and I sh...

My Lords, I do not know if I am breaking the rules of the House in saying this, but I feel that s...

My Lords, first, I declare my interest as co-chair of the National Police Ethics Committee for En...

My Lords, I rise to speak to the clause stand part amendments in my name. In doing so, I thank th...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. In answer to the questi...

Will the Minister reflect on his remarks about a specified locality and his analogy with Section ...

The fact is that the search area should not be wider than necessary for the purposes of preventin...

I invite the Minister to comment on the remarks that I and the noble Lord, Lord Beith, made at Se...

Obviously, I understand where the noble Baroness is coming from, but asking an officer for proof ...

If I might just press the point: of course, if the young woman has the presence of mind to simply...

To add to that, women were also told to consider refusing to get into a police car, and even if y...

This is so important. I do not think the Minister or the Government appreciate how vulnerable wom...

Before the Minister responds, he may also wish to think very carefully about what he said about t...

If I am incorrect I will most certainly correct my statement. That was the information that I was...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this debate. The noble Baroness, Lady ...

My Lords, I should like to clarify my remarks about uniforms. Section 60—which is what I was talk...

Can the Minister clarify whether these powers—not Section 60 powers—to stop and search people in ...

As I think I explained, we are basing these powers on Section 60.

Is the Minister telling this Chamber that a plain clothes officer in the middle of Lambeth, Manch...

Our intention is to mirror the approach used in Section 60. I said that very clearly earlier. I h...

Can the Minister point to the part of the Bill that says that suspicionless stop and search power...

I am afraid I cannot.

This is extremely serious. It is exactly the point that the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, is making a...

I apologise to the noble Lords, but I have nothing more to say on the subject. I have tried to ex...

This is of very great significance; not just to me, not just to women, but to everyone who is try...

I am grateful to my noble friend for pointing out that Clause 11(6) says:

“This section con...

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

102: Clause 16, page 16, line 3, leave out “in England ...

My Lords, Clause 16 closes a gap in existing powers at Part 2 of the Public Order Act 1986 for po...

My Lords, the Government are stretching credulity if they say this creates no new powers; it crea...

My Lords, I support the comments of my noble friend. The only observation I was going to make abo...

My Lords, Clause 16 covers the British Transport Police in England and Wales. It is reasonable th...

I remind the noble Lord that the Civil Nuclear Constabulary is armed. It was armed by the late An...

That is a very good point—I was going to make that point and ask whether that made any difference...

I am grateful to noble Lords for their speeches in this group. I turn to Amendment 106, in the na...

The Minister asked me whether I would be kind enough not to move the amendment. I am not entirely...

The Minister said, quite rightly, that he will write to the noble Lord, Lord Beith. For the benef...

I recognise what the noble Lord says and will make sure that the letter is placed in the Library....

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

103: Clause 16, page 16, line 12, leave out “in England...

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

107: Clause 16, page 17, line 42, leave out “Secretary ...

Moved by

Lord Paddick

110: Clause 17, page 19, line 26, leave out “reasonably believe...

My Lords, in moving Amendment 110 in my name, I will speak also to my Amendments 111 to 113 and 1...

My Lords, during Second Reading a number of noble Lords, including those who do not share my view...

My Lords, Clause 17 is very dubious. It is bad enough when private companies use civil injunction...

My Lords, not being a lawyer, I would never have dreamed of writing amendments of the technical n...

My Lords, Amendment 145 in the name of my noble friend Lord Coaker is a probing amendment which w...

My Lords, recently we have seen protestors blocking key national infrastructure, potentially caus...

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. He made a kind offer to consider this argument; whe...

My Lords, before the Minister resumes his speech, may I ask him about a word he used? I do not kn...

Yes.

Right, I will add that to my vocabulary.

I thank both noble Baronesses for their interventions. Turning to the question about transparency...

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. If I can try and get th...