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Energy Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 57 to 83 agreed to, with clauses 57, 81, 82 and 83 agreed to as amended. New clauses agreed to. Clause 84 under consideration.
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Energy Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 6 July 2022
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Tuesday, 6 December 2022
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Lord Lennie | 824 c204 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lennie

39: Clause 57, page 51, line 39, at end insert—

“(d) a car...

Lord Lennie | 824 cc204-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment in this group is a re-run of part of the Committee’s discussion on Monday,...


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Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 cc205-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 49 and the introduction given by my noble friend. First, I apologis...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 824 cc206-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased that the mover and seconder of this amendment have mentioned direct a...

Viscount Hanworth | 824 cc207-8 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to express my support for Amendments 39 and 49. I have been looking for a place to make my...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 824 c208 (Link to this contribution)

I have always been very sceptical about carbon capture and storage and direct capture of carbon d...

Lord Teverson | 824 cc208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly sympathetic to the Government on certain of these amendments in certain w...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 cc209-210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell, back to these Benches. I look forward t...

Lord Lennie | 824 cc210-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. First, on what my noble friend Lady Liddell had to say, it...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c211 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke

40: Clause 57, page 52, line 11, leave out “fun...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c211 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much. This is another one on future-proofing. The amendment says,

“leave out...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 cc211-2 (Link to this contribution)

I add my welcome to my noble friend Lady Liddell and I am certain that my noble friend Lord Foulk...

Lord Teverson | 824 c212 (Link to this contribution)

I did not like to address the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness before she had addressed th...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc212-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for his kind invitation to address noble Lords on this sub...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c213 (Link to this contribution)

Given that explanation, I am prepared to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Geddes | 824 c213 (Link to this contribution)

We come to Amendment 41. Lord Callanan?

Lord Callanan | 824 c213 (Link to this contribution)

Moved formally. No! I will speak to it.

Lord Callanan | 824 c213 (Link to this contribution)

You just can’t get the Whips to support you properly nowadays, can you?

Lord Callanan | 824 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I am only joking. My noble friend is brilliant at the job.

Amendment 41

Lord Callanan | 824 c214 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

41: Clause 57, page 52, line 21, at end insert “or (Enforcemen...

Lord Callanan | 824 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to government Amendments 41 and 63 standing in my name. Amendment 63 will enable the...

Lord Lennie | 824 c214 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these government amendments are evidence of the rather chaotic state of the Bill as it ...

Lord Callanan | 824 c214 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is correct that a lot of drafting work went in. There is always limited OPC drafti...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c215 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke

43: Clause 61, page 55, line 5, leave out from ...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c215 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendments 43, 45, 48 and 58. Again, they are trying to cope with some of the wid...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 824 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 46 in my name. As the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell of Coatdyk...

Baroness Worthington | 824 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 47 in my name. I find myself in the unusual position of being...

Lord Oates | 824 c217 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a member of the UK Hydrogen Policy Commission. I do not disagr...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 c217 (Link to this contribution)

Just to add to that list of uses, I am interested in the development of the hydrogen village, as ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 cc217-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell, and the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, for their amendments ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 824 c218 (Link to this contribution)

I am not a lawyer, and nor is the Minister, so I will understand if she wants to write to me. How...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I need to take that question back to the department and then write to the noble Baroness.

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 824 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for that very full response. The noble Baroness, Lady Worthington,...

Lord Oates | 824 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Oates

50: After Clause 64, insert the following new Clause—

“Desi...

Lord Oates | 824 cc220-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 50 and 51. These are probing amendments to press the Governm...

Lord Moylan | 824 cc222-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Oates, has just said. My concern is...

Lord Foster of Bath | 824 cc223-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully support the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Oates and that in th...

Lord Geddes | 824 c225 (Link to this contribution)

I must counsel the noble Lord, Lord Foster, that he cannot move his amendment at this stage but o...

Lord West of Spithead | 824 c225 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, which relates to re...

Lord Callanan | 824 c225 (Link to this contribution)

It hates to spend money full stop.

Lord West of Spithead | 824 c225 (Link to this contribution)

Well, yes, it hates to spend money full stop, but especially on resilience. Whether it is the los...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 824 cc225-6 (Link to this contribution)

I join the noble Lord in his support for my noble friend Lord Moylan’s Amendment 225. I have been...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 824 c226 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 225 in the names of my noble friend Lord Moylan and others. The nob...

Viscount Trenchard | 824 c227 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 225, which seeks to introduce a requirement to construct g...

Baroness Worthington | 824 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly speak to this group of amendments. It is clear that the resilience of ou...

Lord Foster of Bath | 824 c228 (Link to this contribution)

To be absolutely clear, it would apply to all batteries that receive their supply from solar pane...

Baroness Worthington | 824 c228 (Link to this contribution)

In which case, I am even more supportive, because it is absolutely clear that installing solar pa...

Earl of Kinnoull | 824 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise with my European Affairs Committee hat on. I see these as enabling amendments fo...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 824 cc228-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the interests of time, I will comment only on Amendment 240, in the name of the nobl...

Lord Teverson | 824 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by making it quite clear that my energy storage interests are not around long-t...

Lord Lennie | 824 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments from the noble Lord, Lord Oates, are very welcome and they plug a gap in...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc231-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for participating in what has been a fascinating debate on an important s...

Lord Teverson | 824 c233 (Link to this contribution)

That is moving back from what I understood. I understood there had been an agreement, or is it ju...

Lord Callanan | 824 c233 (Link to this contribution)

As I said at OQs this afternoon, licences have been granted by Ofgem, by the regulatory bodies, b...

Lord Teverson | 824 c233 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that information, but it sounds to me like Centrica is conducting a very...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will leave that as a comment; there is nothing I can reply to on it. When I have further inform...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 824 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure it is on the departmental website, but do we know how much gas is supplied by interconn...

Lord Callanan | 824 c234 (Link to this contribution)

When my noble friend says “tankers”, I take it she means LNG tankers. I forget the exact figure, ...

Baroness Worthington | 824 c234 (Link to this contribution)

In case there are any Treasury officials listening or, indeed, reading Hansard, I suggest that on...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc234-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her suggestion. The Treasury is not normally shy in coming forward...

Lord Oates | 824 c235 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply. On the tax treatment of batteries for solar power, I heard th...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 cc235-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Blake of Leeds

52: Clause 66, page 58, line 4, leave out “relevant ...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 c236 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak also to Amendments 54 and 62, tabled in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Le...

Baroness Worthington | 824 cc237-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 55, 56 and 57 to Clause 66, which are in my name. As has bee...

Lord Teverson | 824 c238 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we are all trying to achieve the same thing here. As the noble Baroness, Lady B...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Lennie and Lord Teverson, and the noble Baronesses, Lady Worthingto...

Baroness Worthington | 824 c239 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I have no doubt that hydrogen will have a role to play...

Lord Callanan | 824 c240 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point made by the noble Baroness. I have also seen the models of where it is mos...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 c240 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his comments and welcome, as we all do, the

Baroness Worthington | 824 c241 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

59: Clause 72, page 63, line 36, leave out from second ...

Baroness Worthington | 824 cc241-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall move Amendment 59 and speak to Amendments 60 and 61, in my name and that of the noble Lor...

Lord Teverson | 824 cc242-3 (Link to this contribution)

The history of contracts for difference is longer than I thought; I thank the noble Baroness for ...

Lord Lennie | 824 c243 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are also very supportive of contracts for difference and of this attempt to ensure t...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, and the noble Lord, Lord Howell, for their amendmen...

Lord Teverson | 824 c244 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I am not pre-empting the noble Baroness, but are the Government then going to use those po...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 c244 (Link to this contribution)

In law, the Government have the power to use them. I am afraid I am not able to comment on what a...

Lord Lennie | 824 c244 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister know of any further cases, other than the three that have been cited? What tota...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 824 cc244-5 (Link to this contribution)

My briefing suggests that only three small projects totalling 41 megawatts have refused to sign a...

Baroness Worthington | 824 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. I have not been clear enough; it is entirely my fault. These ...

Lord Teverson | 824 c245 (Link to this contribution)

This is something that I suspect we all hold the same view on. Could the Minister write to us to ...

Lord Callanan | 824 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

63: After Clause 77, insert the following new Clause—

“E...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc246-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

65: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause—

Mo...

Lord Callanan | 824 c248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 65 I shall speak also to Amendments 66, 147, 149 and 190 standing i...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 824 cc248-9 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, I thank the Minister for that explanation. I am sure, looking back at comments made earl...

Lord Callanan | 824 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to reassure the noble Baroness that the relevant consultations will of course take pla...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

66: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause—

“S...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 824 c250 (Link to this contribution)

We come to Amendment 67. Lord Callanan?

Lord True | 824 c250 (Link to this contribution)

Don’t worry, Martin—we’re counting it against you.

Amendment 67

Lord Callanan | 824 c250 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

67: Clause 82, page 71, line 22, leave out subsection (1) and ...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc251-2 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the House for the delay. It is typical that I should do that when the new Leader h...

Lord Teverson | 824 c253 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. When I read the Bill, I looked at Chapter 2, entitled “Decommissio...

Lord Lennie | 824 c253 (Link to this contribution)

I should also be interested to know that. First, may I say to the new Leader of the House that I ...

Lord True | 824 c253 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I should like to say that I said earlier in the House that I would value good relations...

Lord Lennie | 824 c253 (Link to this contribution)

Okay, do not reappoint him. What can I say? I was going to set out a hypothetical situation about...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords, and let me apologise to the Committee for the number of government amendment...

Lord Callanan | 824 cc254-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

68: Clause 82, page 71, line 28, leave out “licence holder” an...

Lord Callanan | 824 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

82: Clause 82, page 73, line 7, leave out “under or”

Mem...

Lord Callanan | 824 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

85: Clause 83, page 73, line 34, leave out “licence holders” a...

Lord Callanan | 824 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

87: Clause 83, page 74, line 29, leave out “licence holder” an...

Lord Callanan | 824 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Callanan

89: Clause 84, page 75, line 25, leave out “and legacy”

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