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Elections Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Thursday, 10 March 2022, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 14 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).
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2021-22
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Elections Bill
Thursday, 10 March 2022
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Wednesday, 6 April 2022
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Proceeding contributions
Lord McFall of Alcluith | 819 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, to move Amendment A1.

Baroness Meacher | 819 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the House to forgive me, but I am not aware of having anything to do with Amendment A1.

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Lord McFall of Alcluith | 819 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

I assure the noble Baroness that it is on the Marshalled List.

Amendment A1

Baroness Meacher | 819 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

A1: Clause 14, page 21, leave out lines 6 and 7

Lord Ashton of Hyde | 819 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

Now we have a debate, which the Minister can answer.

Lord Stunell | 819 cc1554-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords and join in the general confusion about where we are up to. I speak in favour...

Lord Lipsey | 819 c1555 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, came into the Chamber, I do not think that she w...

Baroness Noakes | 819 cc1555-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the most extraordinary debate that I have ever taken part in, with the noble Ba...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 cc1558-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an astonishing Bill. I understand why there was confusion at the start; I do no...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1560 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you; I am grateful that I have some friends around here who are far more literate than I am...

Lord Cormack | 819 c1560 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I cannot be here for the whole of today. When I spoke at Second Readin...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1560 (Link to this contribution)

When I listed the people and groups who were going to oppose the Bill, I should have included the...

Lord Cormack | 819 cc1560-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a touching gesture. Anybody who considers himself or herself a parliamentarian should be op...

Lord Hayward | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask my noble friend before he sits down just to clarify his comments about the amendments f...

Lord Cormack | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that is fine. I think there is even a case for deleting these clauses in Committee.

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not intending to speak on this part but I feel very queasy about the way a number...

Lord Blunkett | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

Go on, defend it. The noble Baroness used to be in the Communist Party.

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

Very good, well done everyone, carry on.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1561 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness said that we had a functioning electoral system before we had the Electoral Co...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 cc1561-2 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that I am surrounded by Labour noble Lords who object to what I am saying. One of th...

Baroness D'Souza | 819 c1562 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether noble Lords are fully aware that this is Committee and not Second Read...

Lord Beith | 819 cc1562-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a Committee point, if I may. Even though I agree with the general statem...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 819 c1563 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Wallace of Saltaire,...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 819 cc1563-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the processes of your Lordships’ House are enclosed in layers of impenetrable language,...

Lord Scriven | 819 cc1564-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, for tabling these amendments and setting an e...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 cc1565-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, and we agree with everything h...

Lord True | 819 cc1567-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness opposite for her kind remarks at the outset, and make clear ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. Did the Minister just say that the amendments have nothing to do with Clause 14? The...

Lord True | 819 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

No, I said that what was before the House was not a clause stand part debate. I will address the ...

Lord Lipsey | 819 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am doing my best, on the basis of only 20 years’ experience in this House, to follow ...

Lord True | 819 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not saying that in the slightest. I will address the amendments of the noble Baroness, L...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

Following on from my noble friend, I have only been in this House for 16 years, so I am a relativ...

Lord True | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

No, and the noble Lord, for whom I have the greatest affection, is never slow in coming forward i...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to the evidence being put forward about postal vote fraud. I have certainly not se...

Lord True | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

Okay, I take that as a yes: that the noble Lord would like to reject the whole Bill. I will be in...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I slightly object to that, because the Minister is extending a response to one point to a general...

Lord True | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that, and I do know that that is the Labour Party position. I was pointing out ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I agree completely with what my noble friend has just said. I was saying that there are different...

Lord True | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I anticipate that we will discuss all those things. I intend, if nature allows, to be present for...

Lord Scriven | 819 c1569 (Link to this contribution)

I point out to the Minister that he has just spent 10 minutes doing exactly what he has told nobl...

Lord True | 819 cc1569-1570 (Link to this contribution)

I would have done so slightly quicker if the noble Lord had not intervened.

The suggestion ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 c1570 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister did not address my concerns around consultation on the document. Will he come back o...

Lord True | 819 cc1570-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we will come to that document later. The specific recommendations taken up in these pro...

Baroness Meacher | 819 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response to this excellent debate. I did table these amend...

Lord True | 819 c1571 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

1: Clause 14, page 21, line 13, at end insert—

“(3A) The sta...

Lord True | 819 cc1572-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee at the outset for the large number of amendments in this g...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 cc1573-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this occasion, I have a lot of sympathy with the Minister. As I understand it, these...

Baroness Humphreys | 819 cc1574-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to those amendments in this group which deal with the consequences of t...

Lord Hayward | 819 c1575 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have one question of clarification to ask my noble friend. During his introduction, h...

Lord Lipsey | 819 cc1575-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly make a point about these proceedings. As I understood it, when we debate...

Lord Stunell | 819 c1576 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly to this amendment. I seem to have used my time allocation ear...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 cc1576-1580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his introduction. Clearly, these amendments are technical and ...

Lord True | 819 cc1580-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken in the debate. Perhaps I am allowed occasionally to s...

Lord Hayward | 819 c1581 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry if I did not make this clear, but I was asking a question about the future structure o...

Lord True | 819 cc1581-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not had advice from the Box on this, and that is always a dangerous place for a ...

Lord Lipsey | 819 c1582 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to come back to something the Minister said just before the intervention of ...

Lord True | 819 c1582 (Link to this contribution)

I think I did set the record straight on the procedure. According to the principle of amity—I hav...

Lord Lipsey | 819 c1582 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to take up the Committee’s time on this. Perhaps we could have an exchange of lette...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1582 (Link to this contribution)

May I take up the point that the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey, raised earlier? We are now about to agr...

Lord True | 819 c1583 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the groupings put before your Lordships’ House are agreed through the usual channels. I...

Lord True | 819 c1583 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

2: Clause 14, page 21, line 15, at end insert—

“(5) For the ...

Earl of Courtown | 819 c1583 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resume, and in doing so, I suggest that we do not r...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 819 c1584 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have only done two of these amendments.

Earl of Courtown | 819 c1584 (Link to this contribution)

As my noble friend the Minister quietly reminds me, the amendments will be moved in their place o...

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