Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

My Lords, I have Amendments 66C and 66D in this group and will speak to Amendment 66B, but I will...

My Lords, speaking first to the amendment tabled by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, whic...

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, makes a very good case for his amendments. I hope that my...

My Lords, that is a very encouraging note on which to rise.

...

Before the noble Lord sits down, could he just confirm that these changes—not allowing fixed pena...

My Lords, I think we might now be in double figures for the times I have been asked that question...

My Lords, I thank all who participated in this debate. I will deal very briefly with the two poin...

Moved by

Lord Paddick

66C: Clause 98, page 86, line 26, at beginning insert “Except f...

I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

67: Clause 100, page 87, line 11, leave out from “9...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

69: Before Clause 102, insert the following new Cla...

My Lords, these amendments follow a discussion in Committee and an undertaking given on Report in...

My Lords, it is a pleasure to rise to support government amendments. There are cases of child abu...

My Lords, we also support these amendments. There has been a ghastly spate of tragic cases of cru...

My Lords, we support the amendments. I read with interest the debate on Report in the Commons, wh...

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have contributed to this debate. I will pick up the poin...

Moved by

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar

70: Before Clause 102, insert the following new Cla...

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

71: Clause 102, page 88, line 20, leave out “...

My Lords, of the amendments in this group, Amendments 71 to 78, to which I speak now, replicate t...

My Lords, I support the observations made by the noble Lord, Lord Marks. On previous occasions, a...

My Lords, I have added my name to the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Marks, and I agr...

My Lords, I entirely agree with the noble Lords, Lord Marks and Lord Pannick, and my noble friend...

I have had the opportunity on a number of occasions, sitting as a recorder, to pass sentence in c...

I do not want to re-enter an old argument but, in Committee, I was almost embarrassed when the Mi...

My Lords, I will say a few words in support of Amendment 82A dealing with short custodial sentenc...

My Lords, I agree with much of what has been said. On Amendment 82A I reiterate what has been sai...

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 82A. I apologise to the House for being a few moments...

My Lords, I will speak very briefly to this group of amendments. In particular, I support Amendme...

My Lords, I have no objection to short prison sentences per se. The problem I have is that our cu...

My Lords, I will speak first to Amendment 82A, to which I put my name, together with the noble Lo...

My Lords, this group of amendments broadly covers topics related to custodial sentences. We debat...

I hate to disagree with the Minister on this matter of policy, but of course Parliament can do wh...

We must distinguish carefully between whether it is wise, which is a point we can make about any ...

The Minister mentioned a Court of Appeal authority on this matter. Can he confirm whether that au...

As we found in Committee, it is very tempting for Ministers to start parsing or glossing the term...

My Lords, I am very grateful for the support that I have had for my Amendments 71 to 78 from Memb...

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. My point is that I would be drawn into arguments ...

My Lords, I understand that point. It is very rare that I disagree with the noble and learned Lor...

We shall now move on to the amendments that follow those to Clause 102. We begin with Amendment 7...

Moved by

Baroness Chapman of Darlington

78A: After Clause 102, insert the following n...

My Lords, I shall move and speak to the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Ponsonby—t...

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely, so I hope she is there ...

My Lords, I welcome this further opportunity to speak to Amendments 78C and 78D in the name of th...

My Lords, I appreciate that the noble Baroness who moved the lead amendment in this group is conc...

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 78B, on the maximum sentence for disclosing the identity of ...

The noble Lord, Lord Sandhurst, identifies the need for consistency, and he is right. I wonder wh...

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to this group of amendments. First, I turn to the minimum sentenc...

My Lords, these amendments, introduced by the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman, on behalf of the nobl...

May I confirm that? It was the wrong word to use, and I apologise.

I was keen to help the noble Lord out, because I think we all knew what he meant, but it is impor...

Having very kindly accepted that the maximum is wrong, the Minister’s only point appears to be th...

My Lords, it certainly matters. I am a little concerned that the noble and learned Lord has seen ...

I am sorry to interrupt again, but when that has been done, what is the next stage?

There may be others, but I am coming to the next stage. The noble and learned Lord is very keen.<...

I am grateful to noble Lords, and particularly to the Minister for his comments in response to th...

On the question of a spectrum of culpability, does the noble Baroness not realise that the senten...

Of course I realise that; I have read the sentencing guidelines. All I am saying is that attitude...

Moved by

Baroness Chapman of Darlington

78B: After Clause 102, insert the following n...

I will explain why we want to move this amendment. I am afraid we are unpersuaded by the Governme...

My Lords, there being an equality of votes, in accordance with Standing Order 55, I declare the a...

Moved by

Baroness Noakes

78DA: After Clause 102, insert the following new Clause—

My Lords, this is a probing amendment. It increases the maximum sentence for the offence of sexua...

My Lords, I support the amendment. I am conscious that the Bill is on Report. This is a probing a...

My Lords, Amendment 78DA, moved by my noble friend Lady Noakes, is in regard to the maximum penal...

My Lords, this has been a short but important debate, and it will be particularly important for t...

Moved by

Lord Blunkett

79: After Clause 116, insert the following new Clause—

“...

My Lords, first, I thank everyone who has made it possible to get to this group of amendments bef...

My Lords, in speaking only to Amendment 80, I mention that I also support Amendment 81 in this gr...

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 81 in my name which is substantially the same as one I tabled...

It is such a folly, is it not, for legislatures to impose strict, rigid, statutory tramlines on s...

Hear, hear!

We all know that IPPs are a failure. They were abolished years ago. They are not available. Why o...

I think the last point made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, needs to be said often and...

My Lords, I rise briefly to support all three of the proposed new clauses, most particularly thos...

My Lords, I certainly want to hear what the Minister has to say because I will go home very uneas...

My Lords—

Minister.

I will be brief. There is an IPP fact sheet on the Ministry of Justice website that describes IPP...

My Lords, I just want to associate myself with the comments of my noble friend Lord Beith. I will...

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the various Members of the House who have spoken. These amen...

Before my noble friend sits down, I heard what he said, but if the Justice Select Committee in th...

I am not quite sure of the meaning of a personal undertaking from me to ensure that the Governmen...

My Lords, I am not sure this is protocol, but it might help progress if I indicate to the House t...

My Lords, I cannot pretend to be wholly content, let alone happy, with what the Minister has been...

On the basis of the Minister’s statement, and not wanting a pyrrhic victory, which would end in d...