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Armed Forces Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 23 November 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Goldie. The answering members were Lord Tunnicliffe and Lord Coaker.
Lords report stage. Amendment 2 agreed to on division (210 to 190). Amendment 4 agreed to on division (219 to 173). Amendments 8 to 14, 16, 18 to 22 agreed to. Amendment 23 disagreed to on division (153 to 160). Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 70).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
816 cc742-836 
Session
2021-22
Department
Ministry of Defence
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Armed Forces Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. As amended in Grand Committee.
Monday, 8 November 2021
Bills
House of Lords
Armed Forces Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. As amended on Report.
Tuesday, 23 November 2021
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0930
Tuesday, 23 November 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Morris of Aberavon | 816 c742 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Morris of Aberavon

1: Clause 3, page 2, line 6, after “judge” insert “l...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 816 cc743-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move my Amendment 1, which would add my own words to the Government’s insertio...


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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 816 cc744-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Morris of Aberavon, for his supp...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 816 c745 (Link to this contribution)

There is one brief reason that I would add to what has been so eloquently said by the noble and l...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 816 cc745-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly, having attached my name to Amendment 2 in the name of the no...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc747-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to speak after my noble and learned friend Lord Morris, the noble Lor...

Lord Robathan | 816 cc748-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I may intervene briefly, I will start with a confession: I have not read the Mutiny ...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc749-752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to join your Lordships in the Chamber this afternoon on Report to discus...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 816 c752 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Gresford

2: Clause 7, page 4, line 27, at end insert—

“...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 816 c752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for her careful reply, but I feel that I must ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 816 c752 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely.

Clause 8: Armed f...

Lord Coaker | 816 c752 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

3: Clause 8, page 9, line 17, at end insert—

“(d) a releva...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc752-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is good to be back. In moving Amendment 3 in my name, I will speak to Amendments 5, ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 816 c756 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will not be taking part in these proceedings because ...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 816 cc756-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have much sympathy with these amendments. Back in 2010, when I served in the Committe...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 816 cc757-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think it might be convenient for me to speak to my amendments in this group, Amendmen...

Lord Craig of Radley | 816 cc758-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, on Amendment 4, and I s...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 816 cc759-762 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to support Amendment 4, in the names of the noble and learned Lord, L...

Viscount Brookeborough | 816 c762 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments, in particular Amendment 4, tabled by the noble and learned ...

Lord Dannatt | 816 cc762-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support Amendment 4. I ask your Lordships to reflect on the origin of the Armed ...

Lord Sentamu | 816 cc763-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support Amendments 4 and 17. What brings me to this conviction is a case in which...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 cc764-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 4, which I have co-signed, and Amendments 3, 5, 6 and 7 in th...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc765-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for a genuinely interesting and thoughtful debate. I will focus...

Viscount Brookeborough | 816 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for giving way. I remind her that when we found that the Executive wer...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc767-770 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord refers to a very difficult and sensitive issue, and I think he is referring to the...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 816 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with all the good things that the noble Baroness is describing, which the Gover...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc770-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the noble Lord has been listening carefully to the argument that I have been advancing,...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 816 cc772-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her very detailed answer to my amendment. It was clear to me, ...

Lord Coaker | 816 c773 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe that in order for the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, to move his very i...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 816 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mackay of Clashfern

4: Clause 8, page 9, line 18, at end insert—

...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 816 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I move that the opinion of the House be taken.

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc777-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to speak to the government amendments that will implement specific recom...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 816 c778 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we welcome the increased parliamentary scrutiny for the statutory guidance on the appli...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 c778 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches, I echo the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe. The amendm...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c779 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Newnham...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c779 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

9: Clause 8, page 15, line 36, leave out “issuing guidance u...

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 816 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton

15: Clause 8, page 18, line 28, at end insert—

Lord Lancaster of Kimbolton | 816 cc780-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief. I apologise to your Lordships’ House for failing to remind the House ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 c781 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lancaster, brought a similar amendment forward in Committee, which...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 816 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lancaster, for tabling Amendment 15. I have not much more to add tha...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c782 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Lancaster for retabling his amendment. I understand his motivation f...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

16: Clause 8, page 18, leave out line 32 and insert—

“...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

18: Clause 8, page 18, line 37, at end insert—

“(c) af...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

21: Clause 11, page 23, line 6, at end insert—

“(2A) I...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

22: Schedule 4, page 52, line 23, at end insert—

“2A_ ...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 816 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd

23: Clause 12, page 24, line 20, at end insert—

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Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 816 cc785-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 23 and support Amendment 27. The issue addressed by Amendment ...

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 816 cc787-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 27, in my name and those of other noble Lords, which calls for an ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 816 cc788-9 (Link to this contribution)

There is no doubt that serious crimes are more difficult to investigate in the military than in c...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc789-790 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we strongly support Amendment 23 moved by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas of Cw...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc790-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, for his amendment. I know ...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 816 cc794-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords and noble and learned Lords who have spoken in this part of the ...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc795-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

24: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—

“Ind...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 24 in my name. I am grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Smit...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, which I and the nob...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc800-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for tabling this amendment. He is quite right: it ...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc802-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her comments. I also thank the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, for her comme...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 816 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tunnicliffe

26: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Tunnicliffe | 816 cc803-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 26, in the name of my noble friend Lord Coaker. We have retabl...

Lord Dannatt | 816 c804 (Link to this contribution)

I will make two points, a broader one and a narrower one that is particularly germane to this ame...

Lord Craig of Radley | 816 c804 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 26. I believe that, until the issue of citizenship is resolved in f...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 c805 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. Many of the issues have been rehearsed at earlier stages of t...

Viscount Brookeborough | 816 c806 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this was brought home to me when I was presenting Iraq campaign medals to returning sol...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 816 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we had a good debate earlier when my noble and gallant friend Lord Craig spoke to Amend...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, for tabling this amendment and the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 816 c809 (Link to this contribution)

Can we press the Minister further on this point about the link between the MoD and the Home Offic...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c809 (Link to this contribution)

I would say to the noble Lord, Lord Alton, that I understand the strength of feelings so ably art...

Viscount Brookeborough | 816 c809 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talks about consultation. I ask her to let us know who has been consulted and how ma...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c809 (Link to this contribution)

All I can do is undertake to write to the noble Viscount, because I do not have the specific deta...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 816 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Well, as the number two member of this team, I am glad I managed to imitate my boss with such acc...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Russell of Liverpool

28: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 cc810-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 28. I do so in place of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, who...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 cc813-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment and propose to speak for a few minutes in suppor...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 816 c815 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly. I was not able to take part in the debate on these amendment...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a very brief comment based on what the noble Lord, Lord Russell of Liverpool, and my ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 cc816-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not quite support this amendment but will speak in rather the same spirit as the n...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc817-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that you are all waiting agog for my response to what has been a wide-ranging an...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 c818 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much obliged to the noble Baroness for giving way; she is very generous. However, at th...

Baroness Goldie | 816 c818 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have that information before me. I will certainly undertake to investigate, and I will w...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 c818 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, if it is true, will the noble Baroness also express in that letter whether she is c...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc819-820 (Link to this contribution)

As I said to the noble Lord, all I can offer to do is to look at Hansard and the detail of what h...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 cc820-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response and all noble Lords who took part in this brief d...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 cc821-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Browne of Ladyton

29: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 cc822-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is also in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and the nobl...

Lord Craig of Radley | 816 c825 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Browne of Ladyton, has given us a very thoughtful, well-researched...

Lord Clement-Jones | 816 cc825-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Browne of Ladyton, and the noble ...

Lord Houghton of Richmond | 816 cc827-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. I am sorry that my name has not found its way on to the Order...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 816 cc828-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise again for not speaking in Committee due to being at COP. I offer support an...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 816 cc829-830 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to support this amendment, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Browne of L...

Lord Coaker | 816 cc830-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is one of these debates that takes place very late at night that should have a pac...

Baroness Goldie | 816 cc831-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, is right: we have kept until the end of the day—unfortunat...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 816 cc834-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who contributed to this debate, including the noble Baronesses,...

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