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Telecommunications (Security) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 13 July 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Barran.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 13 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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Session
2021-22
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
Hybrid proceedings
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Proceeding contributions
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 813 c459GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Alton of Liverpool

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, at end insert—

“...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 813 cc460-4GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 1 and speaking to Amendments 20 and 27, I first thank the noble Lords, Lord B...


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Baroness Northover | 813 cc464-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we move into the scrutiny of the Bill, which seeks to balance the need for the United K...

Lord Naseby | 813 cc465-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to my colleagues that I was not able to speak at Second Reading. I am quite...

Earl of Erroll | 813 cc466-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say a few words on this. It is highly relevant that we keep a close eye, but ...

Lord Fox | 813 cc467-9GC (Link to this contribution)

This is an interesting debate—one that we started about a year ago. During the summer, on the the...

Lord Coaker | 813 cc468-472GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is my first Grand Committee appearance, and I hope that I do not disappoint the no...

Baroness Barran | 813 cc472-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for these amendments, which seek to strengthen the resilience of our tele...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 813 c475GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister, so I call the noble Lord, Lord Fox.

Lord Fox | 813 c475GC (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Minister on introducing the Barran scale of nuance, which will no doubt become...

Baroness Barran | 813 c476GC (Link to this contribution)

I may need to write to the noble Lord about the technical details he has set out. I think for the...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 813 cc476-480GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have participated in the debate and the Minister for her replies. I t...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c480GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 15, leave out “anything” and in...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc480-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope the Committee will forgive me if I move on to drier but—I hope the Committee wil...

Lord Naseby | 813 cc481-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had the privilege of being an RAF pilot. The instructions we received as pilots in me...

Earl of Erroll | 813 c482GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rather agree with the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, on this matter. The Bill is mea...

Lord Fox | 813 cc482-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in response to the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, I say that it is also a huge issue when you...

Lord Coaker | 813 cc483-4GC (Link to this contribution)

This is a really important discussion. I do not want to speak for too long but the noble Earl, Lo...

Baroness Barran | 813 cc484-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee will recall that the UK Telecoms Supply Chain Review Report in July 2019 ...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 813 c485GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received one request to speak after the Minister, from the noble Lord, Lord Fox.

Lord Fox | 813 cc485-6GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister brought up the review, which was very clear that there are huge potential market fai...

Baroness Barran | 813 c486GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear the noble Lord’s concerns. We will of course take back his comments and reflect on them ag...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc486-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see a slight chink of light, perhaps, that may be opened by opened by a meeting with ...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 813 c487GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 7. Before I call the mover, the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c487GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

7: Clause 1, page 3, line 22, at end insert—

“(1A) ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc487-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 7 and will speak also to Amendment 12. New Section 105B introdu...

Lord Naseby | 813 c489GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, does not like my analogy of flying....

Earl of Erroll | 813 c489GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can see that it might be useful to avoid scrutiny sometimes when we have to finesse d...

Lord Fox | 813 cc489-490GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, harmony is breaking out across the Room, with the possible exception of the Minister. I...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc490-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 11 in my name and welcome Amendments 7 and 12 in the names of the ...

Baroness Barran | 813 cc491-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have heard with interest the contributions of your Lordships regarding the parliament...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c494GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that rather depressing reply. I also thank the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 813 c494GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Grand Committee will now resume. I think we were just about concluding the remarks ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc494-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I might take that hint, but there is still a little bit of water to flow under the bridge.

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Baroness Merron | 813 c495GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Merron

8: Clause 2, page 4, line 30, at end insert—

“(7) In m...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc495-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I move Amendment 8 in my name and welcome the similar Amendments 9 and 19 in the names ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc496-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to be on the same page as the noble Baroness on the insertion of a techn...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 813 c497GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Grand Committee is resumed—third time lucky. I call the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jo...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c497GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I am demonstrating the agility of which the Minister is so fond. As I said earli...

Earl of Erroll | 813 c497GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak on this issue as I remember mentioning it at Second Reading. There is a...

Lord Fox | 813 c498GC (Link to this contribution)

In quick response to, or doubling up on, the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, my understanding is that th...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 813 cc498-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have taken part in the debate on these amendments, whi...

Lord Fox | 813 c500GC (Link to this contribution)

I emailed the clerk, asking to speak after the Minister.

Lord Rogan | 813 c500GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones—sorry.

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c500GC (Link to this contribution)

I must admit that I am somewhat baffled by the Minister’s response. The argument on the technical...

Lord Fox | 813 c500GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Deputy Chairman and apologise for speaking across him. I am a bit intrigued by the co...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 813 cc500-1GC (Link to this contribution)

First, if I may, I will take back the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Fox, about new Section 1...

Baroness Merron | 813 c501GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. In view of the pandemic restrictions on the numb...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc501-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

10: Clause 3, page 5, line 12, at end insert—

“(d) ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c502GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in its evidence to the Bill in the Commons, BT said:

“we believe greater clarity ...

Earl of Erroll | 813 c502GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say a few words on this because the key words “undue burden” stand out. It is...

Lord Fox | 813 c503GC (Link to this contribution)

The undue burden point touched on by the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, is really important. On a previ...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc503-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Fox and Lord Clement-Jones, for these amendments. As before, it is ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 813 cc504-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Fox and Lord Clement-Jones, for these amendments, and all noble Lor...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c505GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that—he pierced through the gloom of the afternoon, giving an ...

Baroness Merron | 813 c505GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Merron

13: Clause 4, page 7, line 26, at end insert “within 30 days...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc506-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 13 seeks to speak up for consumers and to probe possibilities as to how we ma...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c507GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 14 and 15. I wanted to say on the last group of amendments ...

Earl of Erroll | 813 c507GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name down to speak to this because the problem with putting a fixed time perio...

Lord Fox | 813 c508GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an interesting and nuanced—to coin a word we used earlier—debate. I am probably...

Lord Rogan | 813 c508GC (Link to this contribution)

I call the noble Baroness, Lady Barran.

Lord Fox | 813 c508GC (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, I have not quite finished.

I would call Amendment 15 a “good manners” amendment. If ...

Baroness Barran | 813 cc508-512GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Merron, and the noble Lords, Lord Clement-Jones and Lo...

Lord Rogan | 813 c512GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones.

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 c512GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lord, until the Minster replied, “nuance” was the word being used in the context of informatio...

Baroness Barran | 813 c512GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry, as ever, to disappoint the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. With regard to h...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc512-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a healthy debate. I thank all noble Lords who have contributed on the var...

Lord Rogan | 813 c513GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the Question that Clause 13 stand part of the Bill. As many as are of that opinion...

Lord Rogan | 813 c513GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones.

Clause 13: Appeals against security deci...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc513-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we know how it is when you are on a roll. This reminds me that it is very unusual for s...

Earl of Erroll | 813 c515GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I saw this and thought that I really did not understand why the Government were doing i...

Lord Fox | 813 c515GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to attempt to outlawyer my noble friend Lord Clement-Jones. I may not be...

Baroness Merron | 813 cc515-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been very interested to hear the arguments put forward by the noble Lords, Lord ...

Baroness Barran | 813 cc516-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Clement-Jones and Lord Fox, for tabling this amendment to Clause 13...

Lord Clement-Jones | 813 cc517-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have heard some ministerial pushbacks but, I must say, that circularity more or less ...

Lord Rogan | 813 c518GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that concludes the work of the Committee this afternoon. I remind Members to sanitise t...

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