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Pension Schemes Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 30 June 2020, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe and Baroness Stedman-Scott. The answering member was Baroness Sherlock.
Lords report stage. Amendments 1, 3-7, 9-12, 14-31 agreed to. Amendment 32 agreed to on division (270 votes to 246). Amendments 35-44 agreed to. Amendment 52 agreed to on division (281 votes to 244). Amendments 54-55, 57-58 and 60-61 agreed to. Amendment 63 to amendment 62 agreed to on division (270 votes to 236). Amendment 62, as amended, agreed to. Amendments 64, 66-67 and 69-70 agreed to. Amendment 71 agreed to on division (263 votes to 227). Amendments 75-78 and 81-92 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 120).
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804 cc577-1729 
Session
2019-21
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report
Wednesday, 5 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
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Pension Schemes Bill (HL). Constitution Committee (HL) second report.
Wednesday, 12 February 2020
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report
Wednesday, 26 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
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Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21. As amended in Grand Committee.
Wednesday, 4 March 2020
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eighth report
Wednesday, 18 March 2020
Parliamentary committees
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Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21. As amended on Report.
Tuesday, 30 June 2020
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c577 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

1: Clause 11, page 7, line 16, leave out “The first”<...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc578-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may start by addressing the government amendments. I recognise that in Commit...


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Lord Sharkey | 804 cc579-580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to government Amendments 1, 3 to 7, 9 to 12 and 14 to 31, as well...

Baroness Altmann | 804 c580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome the Government’s amendments to this Bill and congratulate my noble ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c580 (Link to this contribution)

We will move on because we cannot hear the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett. We will perhaps try to g...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c581 (Link to this contribution)

I did not have a note of that. I call the noble Lord, Lord Balfe.

Lord Balfe | 804 cc581-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time for two months that I have been in this Chamber. It is a bit emp...

Lord Hain | 804 cc582-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for the way in which she introduced these amendments, and particul...

Baroness Fookes | 804 c584 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join other noble Lords who have already spoken in saying how pleased I am to see that...

Lord Naseby | 804 cc584-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is entirely appropriate that I should first declare my interest. I am a trustee of t...

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 804 cc585-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend on the Front Bench on the clarity with which she has int...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 804 c586 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for her introduction and for returning to her usual helpful ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c587 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes. I should say that I grew up ne...

Lord Blencathra | 804 cc587-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to this group and pass observations briefly on other issues raised by the ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 804 cc588-590 (Link to this contribution)

I thank your Lordships’ House for allowing me to speak. I apologise for the earlier confusion. I ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 cc590-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like other noble Lords, I appreciate the government amendments to make regulations by t...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 c591 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should declare a historical pecuniary interest as a former independent director of th...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc591-4 (Link to this contribution)

I start by responding to some of the points that noble Lords have made, for which I thank them. O...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c594 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

3: Clause 11, page 7, line 18, leave out “Subsequent ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc594-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

4: Clause 12, page 7, line 30, leave out “The first”<...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c595 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

6: Clause 13, page 8, line 28, leave out “The first”<...

Baroness Drake | 804 c595 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Drake

8: Clause 14, page 9, line 9, at end insert—

“(c) speci...

Baroness Drake | 804 cc595-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer to my interests in the register. I move Amendment 8 in my name and that of my n...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 c596 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have signed my name to both these amendments, which follow on from significant debate...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 cc596-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to support Amendment 32, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey, to which I have...

Baroness Altmann | 804 cc598-600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have enormous sympathy with the aims of the two amendments in this group. Amendment 8...

Lord Blunkett | 804 c600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not detain the House for very long. I draw attention to the interchange and inte...

Baroness Janke | 804 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 8 but I will address my remarks to Amendment 32. The amendment seek...

Lord Naseby | 804 c601 (Link to this contribution)

I think the amendments have been extremely well aired and I await the response from my noble frie...

Lord Sharkey | 804 cc601-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will restrict my remarks to Amendment 32, which is in my name and the names of the no...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 cc602-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say at the outset that Labour supports Part 1 of the Bill and the move to create CMP ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc603-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by addressing the amendment to Clause 14 tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady S...

Baroness Drake | 804 c605 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 32, but I shall direct my comments to the Minister’s response to Am...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc605-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

9: Clause 14, page 9, line 10, leave out “The first”<...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

11: Clause 15, page 9, line 41, leave out “The first”...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

14: Clause 16, page 10, line 29, leave out “The first...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

16: Clause 17, page 11, line 18, leave out “The first...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc606-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

18: Clause 62, page 47, line 6, leave out “The first”...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c607 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Stedman-Scott

20: Clause 63, page 47, line 20, leave out “The first...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c607 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Stedman-Scott

22: Clause 64, page 48, line 19, leave out “The first...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c607 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

24: Clause 65, page 49, line 1, leave out “The first”...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc607-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

26: Clause 66, page 49, line 31, leave out “The first...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

30: Clause 68, page 51, line 7, leave out “The first”...

Lord Sharkey | 804 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

32: Clause 27, page 18, line 10, leave out “The notice” and ins...

Lord Sharkey | 804 c608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House on Amendment 32.

Lord Bates | 804 c609 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 34. I remind noble Lords that Members other tha...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 804 c609 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle

34: Clause 46, page 37, line 14, at end ins...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 804 cc613-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise—at least metaphorically—to speak to Amendment 34. I will also refer to Amendment...

Baroness Janke | 804 c614 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for her speech and her amendment. I also than...

Baroness Hayman | 804 cc614-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House of my interests as a co-chair of Peers for the Planet. I should perh...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc615-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am speaking to Amendments 73 and 79, to which I have added my name. I will also speak...

Lord Balfe | 804 cc618-9 (Link to this contribution)

In my last speech I omitted to declare my interests, not only those recorded in the register, but...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 cc620-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first declare an interest as a recipient of the parliamentary pension fund. I support...

Lord Naseby | 804 c621 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a trustee of the Parliamentary Contributory Pension Fund, I see it as my duty to tak...

Viscount Eccles | 804 cc621-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, opened the debate on this group with a request for mo...

Lord Sharkey | 804 cc623-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 72 and 74 in this group. Neither amendment in any way alter...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 c624 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who raised climate issues in relation to pension schem...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc625-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, government Amendments 75, 76, 77 and 78 seek to amend new Sections 41A and 41B of the P...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 804 c627 (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests from any noble Lord to speak after the Minister, so I call the noble ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 804 cc627-630 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her answer. Amendment 78 refers to this covering not just the effects of...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c630 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

35: Clause 47, page 37, line 31, leave out subsection...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

39: Clause 98, page 77, line 25, leave out subsection...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c631 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

43: Schedule 3, page 130, line 4, at end insert—

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Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c631 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

44: Schedule 6, page 138, line 30, at end insert—

...
Baroness Noakes | 804 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Noakes

46: Clause 107, page 90, line 36, at end insert “, and

Baroness Noakes | 804 cc632-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 46, I shall also speak to Amendments 47 to 49, which are in my name...

Baroness Altmann | 804 c634 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to these amendments in the names of my noble friends Lady Noakes a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 804 cc634-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friends Lady Noakes and Lady Altmann and the strong case they have m...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c635 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Naseby has withdrawn, so I call Lord Blencathra. No? I gather that there have been some prob...

Viscount Trenchard | 804 c636 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while the Bill has generally been welcomed by the pensions industry and members of pens...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c636 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, has withdrawn. Have we had any success in finding the noble Lo...

Earl Howe | 804 cc637-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Noakes for tabling these amendments to Clause 107...

Baroness Noakes | 804 c638 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I was pleased t...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c639 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 50. I remind noble Lords that Members other tha...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 c639 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Vaux of Harrowden

50: Clause 109, page 95, line 15, at end insert—

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Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 cc639-640 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 50 I will also speak to Amendment 51 in my name. I thank the noble ...

Baroness Altmann | 804 cc640-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, for moving these two important amendments. ...

Baroness Noakes | 804 c642 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be brief. I indicated that I want to speak on these amendments because I am concerned abo...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 804 cc642-3 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Vaux, has adapted his amendments to meet some of the concerns that we all ex...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 c643 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as in the register: I am a non-executive director of London Stoc...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, for returning to this issue. We all know th...

Earl Howe | 804 cc644-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, for tabling these amendments to Clause 109,...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 c646 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have taken part in this short debate. While I do not entirely agr...

Baroness Henig | 804 c646 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 52. I remind noble Lords that Members...

Baroness Drake | 804 c646 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Drake

52: Clause 118, page 105, line 9, at end insert—

“( ) R...

Baroness Drake | 804 cc646-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 52 is in my name and those of my noble friend Lady Sherlock and the noble Bar...

Baroness Altmann | 804 cc648-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have little to add to the wise words of the noble Baroness, Lady Drake, on Amendment ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 cc649-650 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to each amendment in this group. The noble Baroness, Lady Altmann...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 c650 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all three amendments. The grouping is slightly odd, mixing the question of tr...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 804 cc650-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as noble Lords know, I am as concerned as anyone with consumer protection. I therefore ...

Baroness Janke | 804 c651 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 52. I also support the other two amendments tabled by the noble Bar...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 cc651-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will deal first with the data issues. There are known to be problems with data qualit...

Earl Howe | 804 cc652-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by turning to Amendment 52, tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Drake and Lady...

Baroness Drake | 804 cc655-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have supported Amendment 52. I say to the noble Earl that n...

Baroness Henig | 804 c656 (Link to this contribution)

I shall now put the Question. We have heard a Member taking part remotely say that they wish to d...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 804 c656 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 53. Anyone wishing to press this or any other a...

Lord Young of Cookham | 804 c656 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

53: Clause 118, page 106, leave out line 32

Memb...

Lord Young of Cookham | 804 cc656-663 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 53 in my name presses the Government to clarify progress on identity verifica...

Baroness Drake | 804 cc662-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the introduction of a pension dashboard service raises major considerations of the publ...

Baroness Altmann | 804 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak briefly in support of Amendment 63. I have also added my name to Amendm...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 63 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock. ...

Lord Sharkey | 804 cc665-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to Amendment 63 because it is vital to allow the MaPS dashboard the ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 804 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome my noble friend Lord Young’s probing amendments on verification and timing, and I look ...

Baroness Janke | 804 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendment 63 and am not voting from a garden bench. The case for this amendment has bee...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another interesting debate. Before I address the question of the dashboar...

Earl Howe | 804 cc668-671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there was general agreement in Committee that pension scheme members should have access...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 804 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests for noble Lords to speak, so I call the noble Lord, Lord Young.

Lord Young of Cookham | 804 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, not least my noble friend Lord ...

Earl Howe | 804 c672 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

54: Clause 119, page 108, line 32, leave out “any” and insert “the...

Earl Howe | 804 c672 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

57: Schedule 9, page 177, line 33, leave out “any” and insert “the...

Earl Howe | 804 c672 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

60: Clause 121, page 113, line 16, leave out “any” and insert “the...

Earl Howe | 804 c673 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

62: Clause 122, page 117, line 6, at end insert—

“(A1) The s...

Earl Howe | 804 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move.

Amendment 63 (to Amendment 62)

Baroness Drake | 804 c673 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Drake

63: Clause 122, after inserted subsection (A2) insert—

...

Baroness Henig | 804 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I should inform the House that if Amendment 64 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 65.

Amend...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c673 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

64: Clause 122, page 117, leave out lines 7 to 25

Member’s e...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc673-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

66: Clause 122, page 117, line 25, at end insert—

“(1A) The ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

69: Clause 122, page 117, line 26, leave out “Subsection (1) is” a...

Baroness Henig | 804 c678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group consisting of Amendment 71. I remind noble Lords that Members ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

71: Clause 123, page 118, line 4, at end inse...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 cc679-681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment revisits the issue of open direct benefit schemes on which discussions s...

Lord Young of Cookham | 804 c681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add a brief footnote to the powerful case made by the noble Baroness, Lady Bowle...

Baroness Altmann | 804 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 71, to which I have added my name. I have little to add to the exce...

Baroness Drake | 804 c682 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 71. Given the hour, the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles of ...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 804 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had intended to add my name to this amendment, and I apologise that I failed to do so...

Lord Berkeley | 804 cc683-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, on bringing forward this amendment....

Lord Snape | 804 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will confine my remarks to the impact of this amendment on the Railways Pension Schem...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 804 c685 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have little to add, but I very much agree with ensuring that

“the closure of sc...

Lord Bradshaw | 804 c685 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too welcome this amendment in the name of my noble friend Lady Bowles to help keep op...

Lord Sharkey | 804 c686 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend’s analysis of the one-size-fits-all regulatory threa...

Baroness Sherlock | 804 c686 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we all believe that trustees of DB schemes should have a clearly defined funding and in...

Earl Howe | 804 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, for her amendment, which touches on a...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 804 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken in this debate. I particularly thank the noble Lord, ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc688-692 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

75: Clause 124, page 118, line 33, leave out from “re...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc692-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

81: Clause 125, page 120, line 16, at end insert—

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Baroness Stedman-Scott | 804 cc693-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

85: Schedule 11, page 190, line 1, leave out from “re...

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