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Pension Schemes Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 26 February 2020, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (second day). Clauses 109-115 debated with amendments. Amendments withdrawn. Clauses 109-115 agreed to. Clauses 116-117 and Schedules 7-8 agreed to. Clause 118, amendment 37 debated and withdraw.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
802 cc129-190GC 
Session
2019-21
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21
Tuesday, 7 January 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report
Wednesday, 5 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Pension Schemes Bill (HL). Constitution Committee (HL) second report.
Wednesday, 12 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2020-0169
Tuesday, 24 March 2020
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 802 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, good afternoon. I remind the Committee that, in the event of a Division in the Chamber,...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Vaux of Harrowden

27: Clause 109, page 95, line 15, at end insert—

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Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 cc129-131GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that this was worth the wait.

Clause 109 allows the Government to prescrib...

Lord Balfe | 802 cc131-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being here at Second Reading or at the beginning on Monday. The fir...

Lord Sharkey | 802 cc132-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be surprised as well.

My Lords, I support the thinking behind both these amendments...

Lord Flight | 802 c133GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we all understand the reason for these two amendments; whether one of these two...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc133-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I signed the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, and agree entirely with the princi...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly—I have added my name to one of the amendments—to support the concept tha...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c135GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I look forward to hearing what my noble friend the Minister says about this and whether...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc135-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the principle behind Amendment 27, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc136-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee should thank the noble Lords, Lord Vaux and Lord Balfe, for having enable...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc137-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords for tabling these amendments and all noble Lords for their contributions ...

Baroness Drake | 802 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that a regime for notifying dividends is not necessarily the same as sto...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc139-141GC (Link to this contribution)

I will carry on and answer the question from the noble Lord, Lord Flight, and then I will answer ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c141GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to pursue a couple of points. I am a simple soul compared to many around the tab...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

Requiring the payment of dividends to be reported is not necessarily very helpful to the regulato...

Baroness Donaghy | 802 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

I have listened carefully to the debate and cannot help but think that this is not sufficiently f...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes some valid points. We consider that dividends are paid at a point in tim...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c142GC (Link to this contribution)

Can we try to narrow the point of difference? The Minister is often being given briefings which c...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

The last word I would use to describe the noble Baroness is simple; that is not the case. She and...

Baroness Drake | 802 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

I would just say that my argument is not with the noble Baroness personally; she will be provided...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for the points she has made. I think we should put this into the conve...

Lord Balfe | 802 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

May I also be included in this meeting?

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

The point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Drake, is similar to the point that I was going to mak...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c144GC (Link to this contribution)

I would also like to be involved in the further talks. We have to try to find a way of dealing wi...

Lord Sharkey | 802 c144GC (Link to this contribution)

I also want to be invited. A critical feature of the discussion is the effectiveness of TPR. When...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c144GC (Link to this contribution)

We will pass a piece of paper around, and if noble Lords will write their names on it, we will ma...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 cc144-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this excellent debate and the Minister for agreein...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Altmann

28: Clause 110, page 97, line 2, at end insert—

“72B ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc145-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 28 in my name in this group and will speak to Amendment 92, to...

Baroness Hayman | 802 cc148-150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to Amendment 28, which the Baroness, Lady Altmann, has just cogently ex...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 802 cc150-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Altmann and Lady Hayman, for their powerful, compreh...

Lord Flight | 802 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to point out that Amendment 28 is important because members of pension schemes d...

Baroness Janke | 802 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 89 relates to the occupational pension schemes regulations in the statemen...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc152-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 52, 74, 75, 76 and 92 to which I have added my name. As the...

Lord Balfe | 802 cc154-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to say one sentence about this. First, could the Minister comment on this situation?...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c155GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think I will start at that point.

I will not add much. I had a lovely sp...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc156-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their amendments and contributions. They have been numerous, but they...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c158GC (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry to interrupt my noble friend. First, I want to draw the Committee’s attention to my...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course we will be happy to write to answer the questions that my noble friend has raised.

Baroness Hayman | 802 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot of detail in what the Minister has said and I am very grateful to her for saying t...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

I am advised that we need to get that information from the FCA; when we do, we will give it to al...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 802 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, but this seems to be the logical point at which to do this. I echo the comments of t...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc159-160GC (Link to this contribution)

Can I answer the noble Baroness’s question when I come to the specifics that have been asked? If ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt but this is specifically on the government amendments. Like others, I wel...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

In answer to the noble Baroness, subject to the passage of the Bill we will consult extensively t...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

That still does not mean that something will definitely happen then. I understand that the regula...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, we have to consult before we can make that decision.

Lord Sharkey | 802 c161GC (Link to this contribution)

Could I join in on this? We are talking about Amendment 73, which would insert new Section 41A on...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc161-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the noble Lord has put his name on the list to meet, but it looks as though...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c163GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for her comprehensive response. I think she can tell from the comments th...

Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 802 cc163-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Compared with the very interesting debate we have just had on these important amendments, what I ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c165GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that contribution, which is equally as important as the amendments. T...

Lord Sharkey | 802 c165GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

29: Clause 112, page 99, line 7, leave out “£50,000” and insert...

Lord Sharkey | 802 cc165-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be very brief. Amendments 29, 30 and 32 in my name are all probing. Their purpo...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group—Amendment 31 is my own. The broad principle ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc166-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments offer a good opportunity to explore whether the penalties in the Bill ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc168-171GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for tabling these amendments and I will do my best to answer all their questi...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

I realise that my questions were quite detailed, so could I ask the Minister to look at the recor...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for this homework. I will ensure it is delivered to her and that it is...

Lord Sharkey | 802 c171GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in her explanation of the £1 million upper limit, the Minister relied to some extent on...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

33: After Clause 115, insert the following ne...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc172-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment aims to utilise an existing provision in the Company Directors Disqualif...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c173GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can add little to that careful explanation of the amendment; I know a lot more than I...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, for tabling this amendment, which would require the Pens...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that explanation. I think that there are two provisions within the Compa...

Baroness Drake | 802 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Drake

37: Clause 118, page 105, line 4, after “service” insert “(wh...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc174-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 37, 47, 48, 60 and 61. Amendments 37, 47 and 60 place in th...

Lord Young of Cookham | 802 cc176-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 70 and 71 in my name have much in common with Amendments 47 and 60, tabled b...

Lord Sharkey | 802 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendments in this group and have signed Amendment 70 in the nam...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc179-181GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Drake has made a compelling case for the importance of this issue ...

Earl Howe | 802 cc181-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Drake and Lady Sherlock, my noble friend Lord Young ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope my noble friend will forgive me for intervening, but after what he has just said, it is im...

Earl Howe | 802 c183GC (Link to this contribution)

I say—gently—to my noble friend that I could not disagree more. I cannot see the risks that she h...

Baroness Drake | 802 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first chance Parliament has had to scrutinise this major project. I am not ...

Earl Howe | 802 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

I will come back on a couple of points raised by the noble Baroness. The regulations that would a...

Lord Flight | 802 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

I will make a practical point. Running up to the launch, it would surely be very useful to have e...

Earl Howe | 802 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

That is a very constructive suggestion from my noble friend. I will take it away with me.

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that had better not happen too soon, though, because there might be nothing to see for ...

Earl Howe | 802 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

I believe I am right in saying that while your Lordships’ Delegated Powers Committee had some tre...

Baroness Drake | 802 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that I was a member of the Constitution Committee. The issue is not that simply th...

Earl Howe | 802 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Baroness says. It is not that the policy is not settled but that the implem...

Baroness Drake | 802 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw my amendment.

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