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Healthcare (International Arrangements) Bill

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 1 and speak to consequential Amendments 2, 12, 13, 14, 45, 46 and 47. The House will realise that these are the same amendments that we discussed in Committee. I am grateful for the support for them that I have received from across the House: from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, the noble Earl, Lord Dundee —who, we learned yesterday, cannot be with us today—and the noble Baroness, Lady Jolly. I like to think that the reason for their support, and that of other noble Lords

in Committee, is the amendments’ simplicity in revising the scope of the Bill to deal with the healthcare arrangements for the EU/EEA and not the whole world.

Like other noble Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for the time and effort she and her team have put into discussing the Bill with noble Lords. We can see from today’s amendments that the Government have listened to concerns expressed during the Bill’s stages. That is to be welcomed. I am afraid, however, that on this issue—the scope of the Bill—we find ourselves some distance apart.

We need to remember that the DPRR Committee noted the Bill’s breathtaking scope and commented that the scope of the regulations could hardly be wider. The committee said that it was one thing to introduce skeletal legislation needed in the event of no EU withdrawal agreement, but that this Bill was as much to do with implementing future reciprocal healthcare arrangements with non-EU countries—indeed, that it went much further than merely giving effect to healthcare agreements and covered the provision of any healthcare by anyone anywhere in the world. It concluded that the powers of the Bill were inappropriately wide and had not been adequately justified by the department.

This view was expanded in many ways by the Constitution Committee, which said that while the exceptional circumstances of the UK’s departure from the European Union might justify legislation containing broader powers than would otherwise be constitutionally acceptable, this did not extend to giving effect to new policy unrelated to Brexit. It concluded that the Bill should be limited to future reciprocal healthcare arrangements with countries that participate in the existing European health insurance card scheme. We agree. These are the tests that need to be brought to bear on the Bill, as was so eloquently expressed by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, in Committee.

During our discussions with the noble Baroness, it was suggested that it would be in some way inappropriate for this House to reduce the scope of the Bill. If the Constitution Committee and the DPRR Committee think that this revision is appropriate, we are bound to give the matter serious consideration. Surely it our job to offer the elected Chamber the opportunity to reconsider the breathtaking scope and powers of this Bill.

Then there are the issues of practicality and policy. On the practicality test, in this pre-Brexit period—and, my goodness, we are now at possibly the most exciting bit, with the discussions that are taking place in the Commons—surely it should be the Government’s priority to ensure that the millions of British citizens currently benefiting from reciprocal healthcare agreements with the EEA and Switzerland, by virtue of our membership of the European Union, continue to do so. The same should be true for European citizens in the UK. A significant proportion of the many UK citizens living in the EU are pensioners, and they will be personally liable for healthcare costs after exit day unless a new agreement with the EU, or new bilateral agreements with individual member states, are in place. It would cost the UK taxpayer more to treat British nationals who have to return home for healthcare.

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We completely accept the need for a Bill to deal with these important issues, and we wish to support the Government in getting the appropriate Bill and powers to achieve the right protections and the transfer of access to healthcare. Furthermore, as this is an enabling Bill, the impact assessment cannot and does not indicate the potential costs of administering all sorts of new arrangements with the European Union, the EEA and the rest of the world. We suggest the administration of international healthcare agreements, but this is a herculean task, and we do not think this Bill is the appropriate way to do it.

In addition, surely we need to focus on the finances of the EU reciprocal healthcare arrangements. Many trusts struggle to recoup the money owed under current EU arrangements, and some costs are never recovered. The UK is getting back less than £50 million a year for the cost of treating European patients, while paying out £675 million for the care of Britons in Europe. It seems to me that the priority is to get on top of recouping EEA healthcare costs before we start thinking of making non-EEA agreements.

The policy issue is very serious. The scope of the Bill introduces new policy into the Brexit considerations. Last year, during the passage of the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill, the Government gave an undertaking not to introduce new policy. We do not believe the Minister has argued a compelling case for the urgency of global scope, and the global scale of the Bill flies in the face of that undertaking. The policy agenda that leads to a Bill with global scope, as this one does, does not, to my knowledge, even have the cover of having been in a Conservative manifesto. There has been no consultation and we have seen no compelling evidence of the urgency, need and demand, unlike that for European healthcare arrangements.

As I have said to the Minister, a global healthcare arrangements Bill may be a legitimate aspiration. Therefore, it should be included in the upcoming Queen’s Speech. It would then have the necessary wide consultation with the many stakeholders involved that such a proposal deserves; there could be pre-legislative scrutiny; and it could be brought forward as a fully fledged Bill. That is what the global healthcare issue deserves. Trying to shoehorn an important issue such as this into a Bill that needs urgently to address EU matters, and to do so by giving the Secretary of State huge powers, is not the way to proceed. It leads to bad legislation and outcomes, as the noble Lord, Lord Wilson, told us in Committee.

I am aware that the UK currently has reciprocal agreements with several non-EEA countries, including New Zealand and Australia. The Minister has explained that these agreements are less complex, and that post exit the Government,

“may want to strengthen these to ensure that we are delivering important opportunities for UK nationals abroad”.

In her letter to all Peers dated 8 March, she states:

“This is key to delivering greater security and certainty for UK nationals post-exit, and the powers of the Bill enable us to do that”.

I agree with that aim, but this is absolutely the wrong way to go about achieving it. The Minister’s colleague

in the other place put it more bluntly. He said it was the Government’s ambition to implement such agreements where it would be,

“cost-effective and support wider health and foreign policy objectives after the EU exit”.—[Official Report, Commons, Public Bill Committee, 29/11/18; col. 22.]

We suggest that this aspiration for global healthcare arrangements needs to be left until post Brexit. Nothing in the statements by the Minister justifies the sweeping powers and the blank cheque from the taxpayer which this Bill as drafted contains. I beg to move.

Type
Proceeding contribution
Reference
796 cc918-921 
Session
2017-19
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House of Lords chamber
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