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Immigration (Health Charge) (Amendment) Order 2018

Debates on delegated legislation on Wednesday, 28 November 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Williams of Trafford. The answering member was Lord Rosser.
Lords motion to approve. Amendment to the motion discussed and withdrawn. Original question agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
794 cc634-655 
Session
2017-19
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Immigration (Health Charge) (Amendment) Order
Thursday, 11 October 2018
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee (Sub-Committee A) third report.
Monday, 29 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2019-0005
Wednesday, 28 November 2018
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c634 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since its launch 70 years ago, the National Health Service has transformed the health o...

Lord Maxton | 794 c635 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister keeps talking about “the UK”, but there are four health services within th...


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Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc635-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am talking about the United Kingdom, so I am talking about the devolved Administrations as well...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc636-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Minister said, for the last three years, under the Immigration Act 2014 an annua...

Lord Paddick | 794 cc637-640 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for explaining this order and I wholeheartedly agree with the nobl...

Lord Hylton | 794 cc640-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Refugee and Migrant Children’s Consortium is deeply concerned about this order, whi...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 794 cc641-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in support of the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Rosser, parti...

Lord Lansley | 794 c642 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I recount a story to the House from several years ago? I think it was around the ti...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 794 cc644-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the absence of the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, I feel brave enough to rise to my feet....

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an interesting debate for me because other noble Lords have argued from poi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c646 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate.

First, in virtually e...

Lord Teverson | 794 c646 (Link to this contribution)

The point is, as the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, said so well, that all those other jurisdictions...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c646 (Link to this contribution)

I will give an example: if I went to America and worked there, I would pay taxation but would als...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc646-8 (Link to this contribution)

I think we will have a disagreement on a point of principle, but if the noble Lord could let me o...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 794 c648 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is moving on to another issue, but could we stick with children for a moment? A numb...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c648 (Link to this contribution)

If you intend to be here temporarily, you apply for a temporary visa and you are captured by the ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 794 c648 (Link to this contribution)

But the point is that, to get leave to remain, people have to pay over 10 years and, as noble Lor...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc648-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in estimating the charge, we estimated the cost of providing healthcare to someone who ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to push it, and I promise not to do so again, but a number of noble Lords have pointed...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

I can certainly undertake to take this away and provide for the noble Baroness and other noble Lo...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness returns to her response, I want to say that it is not appropriate to co...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I gave the example of America precisely because we have a national health service. Were...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

My point was that we are not taking into account the wider implications of immigrants paying into...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c649 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier, if I went to America and paid my taxes, I would still need health insurance on...

Lord Paddick | 794 c650 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to prolong the agony for the Minister, but the point about America is that the tax ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c650 (Link to this contribution)

Temporary immigrants have to pay the healthcare charge, but anyone with indefinite leave to remai...

Lord Lansley | 794 c650 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot bear that assertion being put on the record without being refuted: American taxation pay...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c650 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad to have a former Health Secretary standing behind me to put noble Lords—and me—absolute...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 794 c650 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister come back to the point I raised about the inadequacy of the information we have...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc650-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will. I will not give him an adequate response, but I will tell him why; if that is okay.

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 794 c651 (Link to this contribution)

I know I said I would not come back to this issue but no impact assessment deals with individuals...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Baroness’s point because in everything we do with law, we have to consider the r...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 794 c652 (Link to this contribution)

On the point I made that in the impact assessment there is a reference to the Government consider...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give the noble Lord any more information on that at this point but I am sure it will be ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 794 c652 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that it is extraordinarily difficult for us to try to work out the effec...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c652 (Link to this contribution)

We do not share management information data because it is purely that—management information. As ...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. I did not get the impression that she was particularly exc...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c653 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening on the noble Lord. I said that I would write to noble Lords with an i...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that the Minister said that she would write. I would be very grateful indeed if, whe...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 c654 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, will he reconsider withdrawing his amendment? I honestly think t...

Lord Rosser | 794 cc654-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for that contribution, but I have to say no; I am not pre...

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