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European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 7 March 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bridges of Headley and Lord Keen of Elie.
Lords report stage. Amendment 1 disagreed to on division (131 votes to 336). Amendment 2 debated and withdrawn. Part 1 of 3.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
779 cc1203-1240 
Session
2016-17
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill 2016-17. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 1 March 2017
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill
Tuesday, 7 March 2017
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Newby | 779 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert—

“( ) No agreem...

779 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

Hear, hear!


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Lord Newby | 779 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may be downhill all the way from this point.

This is a very straightforward am...

Lord Grocott | 779 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that generous tribute. Will the noble Lord advise us as to whether the referend...

Lord Newby | 779 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have already seen the referendum being taken as decisive. Parliament did not decide ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 c1204 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the noble Lord can answer my question in relation to the conduct of the referend...

Lord Newby | 779 c1204 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord will recall the attitude that we took when we discussed the previous ref...

Countess of Mar | 779 c1204 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, would the noble Lord kindly address the House rather than the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes,...

Lord Newby | 779 cc1204-5 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I was saying that, when we discussed this matter previously in respect of the refere...

Lord Robathan | 779 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord was talking about logic. Could he tell us exactly—perhaps he will come on to this—...

Lord Newby | 779 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that argument does not do the noble Lord justice. I shall be coming on to t...

Lord Dykes | 779 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with those final comments, but does the noble Lord not agree that, bearing in mind that w...

Lord Newby | 779 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this issue, Parliament sold that pass when it gave the people the decision about whe...

Lord Spicer | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Robathan, did not ask the question the noble Lord has just said he asked; he...

Lord Newby | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

I would have thought that that is fairly clear. People voted to start the process and we get to t...

Baroness O'Cathain | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Surely what we voted on was whether to leave or remain—nothing else.

Lord Newby | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, people voted on 57 varieties of the future of this country. The vast bulk of people, as...

Lord Cormack | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not at least equally simplistic to assume that, after long negotiations and if we have part...

Lord Newby | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that will be part of the consideration at the time. All the evidence to date is that ou...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

If all our European neighbours are shaking their heads and wondering why we are leaving, why then...

Lord Newby | 779 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that our European friends and neighbours will negotiate in good faith—

Lord Newby | 779 cc1206-7 (Link to this contribution)

I must say that I find it deeply depressing, when we have been members of the European Union for ...

Lord Warner | 779 cc1207-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment and want to make three simple points.

Firs...

Lord Hain | 779 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the arguments of the noble Lord, Lord Warner. I have added my name to this...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 779 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hain. I remind him of one or two...

Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 779 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

As I remember, to my cost, the noble Lord’s recollection of what positions Liberal Democrats took...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to stifle debate but the noble Lord should know that we are on Report, and the oppo...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 779 cc1210-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I think the noble Lord, Lord Ashdown, knows, I have enormous admiration for his skil...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 779 c1211 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no wish to get involved in Liberal Democrat internecine warfare but I put my nam...

Lord Morgan | 779 cc1211-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there was a previous referendum on Europe in 1975. On that occasion, it was not taken a...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 779 cc1212-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the House for not having been present at earlier stages of the Bill, for...

Lord Wigley | 779 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 1, but I believe we have Amendment 1 and Amendment 3 in the wrong o...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 779 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am unable to support the amendment. I say so with a heavy heart, but I am extremely c...

Lord Robathan | 779 c1215 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree entirely with the noble Baroness that referendums are a bad idea, and I am surp...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 cc1215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came into this Chamber genuinely unsure about which way to vote and whether to suppor...

Lord Morgan | 779 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

It was an advisory referendum. There is no doubt about that.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. I share that view. However, some people tried to sow confusion and indicated that it had...

Lord Hughes of Woodside | 779 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend agree, given what happened in Scotland, that every referendum is greeted wit...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

No. As my noble friend Lord Hain rightly said, in Scotland and Wales what was put to the people w...

Lord Tyler | 779 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may help. I think I am right in saying that all previous referenda have always been con...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself, unusually, agreeing with the noble Lord, Lord Tyler. Having seen him on television...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 779 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two scenarios vis-à-vis the attitude of the EU towards our leaving it. One is...

Lord Taverne | 779 cc1217-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is one other important reason why the final decision on Brexit should be a nation...

Baroness Kidron | 779 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at Second Reading I set out an argument for a second referendum based on the principle ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we will hear from the Conservative Benches and then from the Labour Benches, and then f...

Lord Lexden | 779 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my simple point is this. Parliament will pronounce for or against the results of the Go...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 779 cc1219-1220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government seem confident that they can get a good deal, or, that not being the cas...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is drifting to a Second Reading speech. A specific proposal is before this Hou...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 779 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will not continue to make a speech, but I want to say that the reason why people are ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 779 cc1220-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret that I did not speak at Second Reading or in Committee, owing to previous enga...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1221 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry. The noble Lord could have made a Second Reading speech at Second Reading. I would be ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 779 c1221 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the noble Lord wants me to deal with that, I thought I had advice that, as it was a ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1221 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is very courteous. He listens to what I say but chooses to ignore it. I would be g...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 779 c1221 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am quite happy to sit down, but I am trying to persuade supporters of this amendment ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 779 cc1221-2 (Link to this contribution)

Okay, I shall skip over why the single market is a bad thing, I shall skip over the strength of o...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 779 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disagree with the amendment because I see two defects in it, one of which was highlig...

Lord Faulks | 779 cc1222-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think I am a frog or a lemming, but I was one of the Ministers at the Dispatch...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 779 c1223 (Link to this contribution)

These amendments were tabled in the previous Bill introduced by the noble Lord, Lord Dobbs, as a ...

Lord Faulks | 779 c1223 (Link to this contribution)

I find that remarkably unpersuasive.

As a result of the decision of the people, most though...

Lord Grocott | 779 cc1223-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Faulks, because he, like me, sat throug...

Lord Morgan | 779 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting my noble friend. With regard to that referendum and all referendums,...

Lord Grocott | 779 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is absolutely right but in this case the Act of Parliament that this House passed...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 779 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in no doubt that the referendum of 23 June was technically advisory but the Govern...

Lord Grocott | 779 cc1224-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with that at all. The debate when the referendum campaign was under way was cle...

Lord Grocott | 779 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

Please can I finish my point? A lot of people said thereafter that perhaps we should have another...

779 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

It was the European Community.

Lord Grocott | 779 cc1225-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry and I stand corrected. It was the Common Market, then the European Community, then the...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1226 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that it would be sensible to hear from the Front Benches now. Perhaps we may he...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 779 cc1226-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an interesting and long debate on a short amendment to a short Bill. Whil...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 779 cc1228-1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another good debate. I suspect that it confirms what many of us already k...

Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 779 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me see if I can make a rather better hash of it this time than I did with the noble...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 779 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Conservative Party manifesto made it absolutely clear that we would respect the out...

Lord Liddle | 779 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

If, as the Prime Minister said in her Lancaster House speech, no deal would be better than a bad ...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 779 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my Lords. It is very clear: we are leaving the European Union. That is the pure and simple a...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 779 cc1231-2 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am sorry, my Lords; I am going to finish. I know that we will come back to this. Forgive me...

Lord Newby | 779 c1232 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, which boils down to a singl...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 779 c1236 (Link to this contribution)

It may help noble Lords if I explain that we hope to complete this amendment before we adjourn th...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 779 c1236 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert—...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 779 c1236 (Link to this contribution)

I have always thought the Government Chief Whip was a very nice man. I do not think he was offeri...

Lord Dykes | 779 c1236 (Link to this contribution)

What would be the provision for an expression of opinion in both Houses on the later stages of th...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 779 cc1236-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will leave that to the usual channels, who will discuss it at the time. I deal with content not...

Baroness Ludford | 779 c1237 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter. It is important to have a st...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 779 cc1237-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Ludford, talks about everything happening in a smooth, orderly...

Lord Spicer | 779 c1238 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I made the point in Committee that if you want sovereignty of Parliament you should vot...

Lord Warner | 779 cc1238-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak in support of the amendment. I tabled a similar amendment in Committee ...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 779 c1239 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord think that Parliament will be happy if they are given the response that, beca...

Lord Warner | 779 c1239 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness’s amendment is very flexible. It refers to a period of at least three months. ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 779 c1239 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that the Government share the sentiments expressed from the Front Bench oppos...

Lord Keen of Elie | 779 cc1239-1241 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged for the contributions that have been made to the debate. This short Bill h...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 779 c1240 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and other noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. The most helpful ...

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