I understand the noble Baroness’s strength of feeling on this. Part of the purpose of our debates in Committee is to enable all of us to reflect on the points that have been made between now and Report, and I will certainly go away and do that. The answer to her first question is yes, the current commissioners were consulted about bringing the functions together into a new commissioner, and they approve of creating that single function.
Amendment 194A would require the Secretary of State to provide the judicial commissioners with support and assistance. While I agree with the intention behind the amendment, it is unnecessary. In terms of support, Clause 213 already places a duty on the Secretary of State to provide the IPC with staff, accommodation, equipment and other facilities. As regards assistance, Clause 211 requires the Secretary of State to provide the IPC with any access and assistance as necessary to fulfil its functions. Amendments 194B and 194BA are more specifically about the funding and resources that the IPC receives from the Secretary of State.
I fully support the principle that the IPC should be both well resourced and well supported. The impact assessment the Government have published makes it clear that the predicted future funding of the IPC is £7.4 million per annum. That is an increase of 131%—well over double—when compared to the combined funding that the existing commissioners received before the Bill was introduced. I also appreciate that the needs of the commissioner may change over time. Therefore, Clause 210(2)(d) makes it clear that the annual report of the IPC must contain information about,
“funding, staffing and other resources”.
I am certain that the IPC would use this opportunity to alert the Prime Minister if it felt that it was under-resourced in any fashion. The Prime Minister must then lay this report before Parliament, so Parliament could then take up the cause of the IPC if we ever reached that state of affairs. Therefore, I do not believe that Amendments 194B and 194BA are necessary.
Amendments 194E and 194F propose changes to Clause 220 of the Bill. This clause provides for the continued existence of a technical advisory board, currently provided for in Section 13 of RIPA. It also provides for the make-up of the technical advisory board to be prescribed by the Secretary of State in regulations. Amendment 194E would make a minor change to this clause. From what the noble Baroness said, I do not think that the purpose of the amendment is to ensure that the membership of the existing board is replaced in its entirety—that we should scrap the existing board and start from scratch. If I am wrong about that, perhaps she could indicate as much, but I did not gather that from her comments. But it might be helpful for me to provide some additional information about the make-up of the current board.
Current board members were appointed from the very small pool of people who have knowledge of the cost and technical feasibility of developing the technical capabilities used to give effect to warrants. In line with RIPA and the provisions in this clause, there is a balance of representation from the telecommunications industry and from the agencies entitled to apply for warrants or authorisations under the Bill. The role of these experts is to advise the Secretary of State on cost and technical grounds if an interception notice given under RIPA is referred for review.
The Investigatory Powers Bill extends this important safeguard to data retention notices, national security notices and all technical capability notices. It is of course right that board members must be able meet the requirements of this new role. So, in response to the recommendations of the House of Commons Science
and Technology Committee on the draft Investigatory Powers Bill, the Government committed to audit the membership of the current board to identify any gaps in knowledge; those will be addressed as a priority through the recruitment of new members.
It may be helpful for me to make the Committee aware that the board’s independent chair may, if required, call on external expertise to assist the group in deciding reasonable costs and the technical feasibility of an obligation. Furthermore, regulations under Clause 220 may also provide for other persons to be appointed to the board as the Secretary of State considers appropriate. This ensures that the technical advisory board is sufficiently flexible to be able to seek particular expertise as required.
I note that the noble Baroness feels that the word “continue” is inappropriate in this context, but I argue the opposite. If the board exists at the moment, it is perhaps not the right thing implicitly to deny its existence by failing to include a word that acknowledges the fact. I hope that we are not dancing too much on the head of a pin there, and that she will not insist on the change that she has proposed.
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Amendment 194F would provide that regulations could permit the Investigatory Powers Commissioner to appoint people to the technical advisory board. I do not consider that to be a necessary change. The purpose of the board is to advise the Secretary of State. I believe it should be for the Secretary of State to determine who is best placed to provide such advice and, as I have discussed, the chair may request the views of external experts should they deem it necessary to assist the board. For those reasons, I do not consider that it is necessary for the Investigatory Powers Commissioner to play a role in appointing members to the technical advisory board.
Amendment 194C relates to Clause 214. Clause 214 allows the Secretary of State to modify the functions of the Investigatory Powers Commissioner or other judicial commissioners. This will allow the functions of the judicial commissioners to be extended and changed to reflect any potential changes to the investigatory powers that the commissioners oversee. The judicial commissioners will oversee the use of a wide range of powers, including some in other enactments. Those powers may in due course be changed or updated, perhaps in the same way that this Bill is replacing parts of RIPA. In such a case, it is right that the functions of the judicial commissioners could be modified to reflect the changes. However, this may not mean an extension of the judicial commissioners’ oversight. The change may be entirely neutral. If this amendment were accepted, such a sensible change would not be possible.
I hope I can reassure the noble Baroness and the Committee that this power will not be used to reduce the oversight provided by the commissioners. The Government have been very clear on that point. It is also worth reminding ourselves that this power is subject to the affirmative procedure and that Parliament will have to approve any regulations made under this clause—so any attempt to diminish the commissioners’ oversight responsibilities would no doubt be scrutinised extremely carefully by Parliament.
The Committee will recall that the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee expressed concern about the breadth of the order-making power and recommended that it should not extend to the IPC’s functions relating to the authorisation of warrants. The Government accepted this recommendation, and this clause has been amended accordingly.
Amendment 194D echoes a recommendation put forward by the Select Committee on the Constitution in its report on the Bill. The Government intend to provide a full response to the committee over the Summer Recess, and I therefore hope I may be excused if I do not address the merits of this amendment at present. However, I believe that, due to the unique functions of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal, some distinction can be drawn between its work and that of other tribunals. It is also worth reminding ourselves once again that any changes to the rules of the Investigatory Powers Tribunal, although made by the Secretary of State, have to be approved by both Houses of Parliament. In the light of my undertaking that the Government will be considering this more fully over the summer, I hope the noble Baroness will not press her amendment.
In response to the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, I hope he will allow me to respond in writing to his point on the Constitution Committee over the Summer Recess.