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Scotland Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 29 February 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage (second day). Clauses 13, 45 and 68-69, amendments agreed to. Amendment 56ZA disagreed to on division (29 to 145). Amendments 56K and 56L agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
769 cc627-692 
Session
2015-16
Department
Scotland Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Scotland Bill 2015-16. As amended in Committee.
Monday, 22 February 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0275
Thursday, 17 March 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 769 c627 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on Wednesday night we had an hour-long debate on the role of the British Transport Poli...

Lord Empey | 769 c628 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Empey

44: After Clause 43, insert the following new Clause—

“Ove...


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Lord Empey | 769 c628 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment was debated last week and I hope the Minister will reflect on the signif...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c628 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

45: Clause 45, page 47, line 17, leave out subsection (5)

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc628-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 44 devolves power to the Scottish Parliament for regulation of licences to searc...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 cc629-631 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 47 and others in this group which are in the name of my nobl...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc631-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, spoke to a number of these provisions when we...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

46: Clause 45, page 47, leave out lines 24 to 33 ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

47: After Clause 50, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 c634 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in light of what the Minister said and his willingness to continue to engage and look a...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c634 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

56ZA: Before Clause 13, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 cc634-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 57AB, 57AC, 68, 68A and 68B standing in my name. Amend...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 cc638-9 (Link to this contribution)

I tend to agree. I want to know how this will be calculated, how it will be enforced and what are...

Lord Haskel | 769 c639 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have briefly to interrupt to give the following correction. The result of Division No...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 cc639-641 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to the amendment in this group in the name of my noble friend Lord Stephe...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c641 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not clear throughout? Paragraph 52, regarding a dispute over the no-detriment principle, sa...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 cc641-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I noted earlier, with regard to paragraph 103, that it surely cannot be conceivable tha...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c642 (Link to this contribution)

I was hoping to follow the noble and learned Lord.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 c642 (Link to this contribution)

That is fine. I hope that the Minister will be able to fill in the gaps when he comes to reply to...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 cc642-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to pursue the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, and the noble a...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 769 cc643-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we all slightly feeling our way in the dark in this debate, and that is very unfortunat...

Lord Empey | 769 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I said earlier that I considered the terms of the Smith commission to be effectively a ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c646 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that it is proposed that the Scottish Government will be able to borrow money...

Lord Empey | 769 c646 (Link to this contribution)

I can say to the noble Lord that we raised several times with the Treasury the question of issuin...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 769 cc646-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can speak fairly briefly on this occasion because my noble friend Lord Forsyth put th...

Lord Higgins | 769 cc647-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, along with Burke, I have always believed fundamentally in representative parliamentary ...

Lord Cormack | 769 cc648-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following my noble friend Lord Higgins, I add my support for my noble friend Lord Forsy...

Lord McCluskey | 769 cc649-650 (Link to this contribution)

My Amendment 67A is in a different group but, with respect, because it deals with the Barnett for...

Lord McCluskey | 769 cc650-1 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me—yes. The document that talks about the unintended consequences is the House of Lords d...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c651 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in view of the difficulties to which the noble and learned Lord has drawn our attention...

Lord McCluskey | 769 c651 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was my 14th point. My notes state that the arrangements for resolution of these di...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 769 c651 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been provoked to make a contribution arising out of the nature of the debate. I ...

Earl of Kinnoull | 769 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to come in on a similar theme and echo the earlier words of the noble and learne...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 769 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am very concerned about the review provisions. The noble Lord, Lord MacGregor, ...

Earl of Caithness | 769 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are in a mess. It is a very sad occasion when you get a situation like this where th...

Lord McCluskey | 769 c654 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Earl will permit me to ask him a brief question arising out of what he has said...

Earl of Caithness | 769 c654 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having recently moved from Scotland to London, I will leave that to the noble and learn...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 769 cc654-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the arguments put forward by my noble friend Lord ...

Lord Turnbull | 769 cc655-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after long negotiations we have arrived at an outcome that was pretty predictable. Scot...

Lord Hollick | 769 cc657-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have arrived at a rather unsatisfactory situation. We were given the fiscal framewor...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 769 cc658-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, even if one were dozing during this debate, there would be no doubt how the House felt ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c659 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking very much for the right hand of the Conservative Party, I think that perhaps the noble L...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 769 cc659-660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord tells us nothing new. I looked at that issue as well. I think I made the...

Lord Higgins | 769 c660 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. We have had an extremely interesting debate ...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 769 c660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take the noble Lord’s point on that but right at the beginning of my speech I made re...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc661-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is fair to say that this has been a very wide-ranging debate and I thank all those w...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c662 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely accept the Minister’s argument that if we were to move to a needs base, or whatever, t...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c662 (Link to this contribution)

I am coming to that point. The idea that it would be easy or straightforward to replace the Barne...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 769 c662 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister take up the point I made earlier about an annual report on this issue to both H...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to make that commitment. The Government intend to make an annual report to Parlia...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 c663 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has indicated—and the agreement says—that the report has to be received by the end...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c663 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure I will be able to satisfy the noble and learned Lord on that point because I have l...

Lord Higgins | 769 c663 (Link to this contribution)

This is a matter of enormous importance. Would it not be absurd if the central part—the heart—of ...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is of course quite right that the fiscal framework should receive detailed scruti...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 769 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I understood the Minister to say that the establishment of the Scottish Fiscal Commission will re...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I think I am right in saying that it does require this Parliament to establish the Scottish Fisca...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c664 (Link to this contribution)

Presumably my noble friend is anticipating using the Henry VIII clause for that purpose. Can he j...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that is what I am maintaining. The fiscal framework is available to this House and ...

Lord Cormack | 769 c664 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend’s answer to the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, beggars belief. The House o...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I can deal with the point that in some way the Scottish Parliament and the UK P...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

Did I understand my noble friend to say that this House and the other place will be able to debat...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we are debating the fiscal framework at this moment. As to whether there will be deb...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but my point to my noble friend is this. The Scottish Parliament will decide whether ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it has the opportunity of approving it, whereas the House of Commons has not had the opportu...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

That is a matter for the House of Commons; it is not a matter for the House of Lords. The House o...

Lord Higgins | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

It had absolutely no knowledge of what the state of play was on the fiscal framework and it ought...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c665 (Link to this contribution)

That really is a matter for the House of Commons, and not for this House of Lords. That House has...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend allow me one more time?

Lord Dunlop | 769 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one more time but throughout the passage of the Bill, I think that I have taken e...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c666 (Link to this contribution)

We are all extremely grateful to my noble friend and very sympathetic to the position in which he...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c666 (Link to this contribution)

For the reasons that I have explained, the Scottish Parliament is giving its legislative consent ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c667 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a lengthy debate in which we have covered a lot of ground. However, a numbe...

Lord Higgins | 769 c667 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely take the point which is made about the later amendment, but I merely suggest to my nob...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c667 (Link to this contribution)

I always listen very carefully to my noble friend. I therefore beg leave to test the opinion of t...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

56A: Clause 13, page 16, line 14, at end insert—

“(17) Reg...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 56K, 56L, 71AB and 71AC which are tabled in my name. A...

Lord Sanderson of Bowden | 769 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 56L, produced by my noble friend. I consider the work of a...

Lord McCluskey | 769 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that the Government were unable to adopt something more along the lines of m...

Lord Higgins | 769 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to my noble friend’s Amendment 56A. It would simply insert, at the...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 769 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome Amendment 56K, which covers borrowing, on which I have tabled Amendment 57. I think tha...

Earl of Kinnoull | 769 cc673-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 57ZA, which is purely a probing amendment that would have ...

Lord McAvoy | 769 cc674-5 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Amendment 57A which seeks to create a new clause to ensure that the process lead...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc675-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again a number of points have been raised and I shall try to address each in turn. If I...

Lord McAvoy | 769 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McAvoy

56F: After Schedule 1, insert the following new Schedule—

...

Lord McAvoy | 769 c679 (Link to this contribution)

This proposed new schedule on the joint committee on welfare devolution provides for an across-Pa...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 769 cc679-681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three amendments in my name in this group. I am

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwood, has said. Even with the advantage of the ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 60, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Kirkwoo...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc682-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord McAvoy and Lord Kirkwood, for their amendments. I turn to...

Lord McAvoy | 769 c683 (Link to this contribution)

Just in the interests of having all the information, is the Minister in a position to name some o...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc683-5 (Link to this contribution)

For example, we have worked to build a strong relationship with the Convention of Scottish Local ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c685 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, could he possibly answer the question I asked him about the wel...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c685 (Link to this contribution)

We have agreed that welfare will be funded through the Barnett formula and that tax deductions wi...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c685 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps my noble friend could help me. Does that mean that if the Barnett formula model resulted ...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c685 (Link to this contribution)

It means that if you look across the total Scottish budget, it would deliver the outcome that we ...

Lord McAvoy | 769 c685 (Link to this contribution)

We welcome the further response about involving the principles that we have included in previous ...

Lord Dunlop | 769 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

56K: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause—

“Bo...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c687 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

61: Clause 68, page 74, line 32, leave out “1, 3, 4, ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 769 c687 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendments 61, 62, 63, 64 and 65 in this group. I tabled these amendments in Com...

Lord Stephen | 769 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is all complex, although perhaps not as overwhelmingly complex as the fiscal frame...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wanted to delete this clause entirely in Committee, and was persuaded that the approa...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 769 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

Yet again, the noble Lord has got it wrong—it was me who said that. However, let us finish on a p...

Lord Keen of Elie | 769 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

I am obliged to your Lordships and particularly grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

62A: Clause 68, page 74, line 37, leave out “(whenever passed or...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

62C: Clause 68, page 74, line 40, at end insert—

“( ) For ...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

65A: Clause 68, page 75, line 14, after ““enactment”” insert “— ...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c691 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

71A: Clause 69, page 75, line 37, at end insert—

“( ) sect...

Lord Dunlop | 769 c692 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

71AB: Clause 69, page 75, line 43, at beginning insert “Section ...

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