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Trade Union Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 10 February 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (second day, part one). Clauses 4-9 agreed to.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
768 cc2244-2297 
Session
2015-16
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Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
Trade Union Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 11 November 2015
Bills
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifteenth report.
Wednesday, 2 December 2015
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Legislative Scrutiny: Trade Union Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee first report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
Parliamentary committees
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House of Commons
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2244 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Collins of Highbury

23: Clause 4, page 2, line 32, leave out from “must...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2245-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group were due to be debated on Monday night. I recognise that w...


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Baroness D'Souza | 768 c2248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 24 by reason of pre-emption.

Lord Lea of Crondall | 768 c2248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may add one point to the excellent summary given by my noble friend Lord Coll...

Lord Oates | 768 c2248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak specifically on the measures proposed in Clause 4 and the related amend...

Baroness D'Souza | 768 c2248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene, but could the noble Lord clarify which amendment he is speakin...

Lord Oates | 768 cc2248-2250 (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking to Amendment 23, which was moved to Clause 4.

The most likely thing is that t...

Lord Dykes | 768 cc2249-2251 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the other Liberal Democrat spokesman wants to come in, so I will be brief. I did not re...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 768 c2251 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. My Lords, I do not want to detain the House because there is a lot to get through,...

Lord Pannick | 768 cc2251-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Burt, just said that the legislation should contain what a rea...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2252 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the noble Lord about that “reasonably detailed”? My noble friend referred to the kitche...

Lord Pannick | 768 c2252 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely why I expressed my understanding and support for the suggestion that the words ...

Lord Monks | 768 cc2252-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House what unions are already required to do. They must ask members, on th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2253 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these clauses are about making sure that union members have clearer information on the ...

Lord Cormack | 768 c2253 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened very carefully. Would it not meet the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick,...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2254 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend. That is certainly something we can look at.

I was asked for an exa...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2254 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not a reality that any ballot paper would have accompanying documents setting out the case ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2254 (Link to this contribution)

We do need clarity. I have listened to what has been said in relation to the reasonably detailed ...

Lord Dykes | 768 c2254 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief. Coming back to the point that the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, made earlier, and a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2255 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid I do not agree with the noble Lord. Having the necessary information on the...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2255 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has referred to a specific case. One of the problems with the impact assessment is t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2255-6 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord makes the argument for the Bill: trying to bring in a greater degree ...

Lord Oates | 768 c2256 (Link to this contribution)

With regard to Clause 6, can the Minister tell us more about the regulatory impact? Under the coa...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2256-7 (Link to this contribution)

I shall look at what the noble Lord has said. The way one in, two out works is that where a new b...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2257 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Minister’s comments. It is important that she reflects fully on all aspects of t...

Baroness Donaghy | 768 c2257 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Donaghy

33: Clause 7, page 4, line 4, at end insert—

“( ) At ...

Baroness Donaghy | 768 cc2258-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the difficulties about moving an amendment on employment relations in a Bill whi...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2259 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make to a couple of points on this group. Why it is necessary to change the n...

Lord Callanan | 768 c2259 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened carefully to the two speeches supporting this amendment. There has been a lo...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2260 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has made a point about the time that this process takes, but we are focusing on in...

Lord Callanan | 768 c2260 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point that the noble Lord is making, but that is five weeks’ notice that it migh...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2260-1 (Link to this contribution)

As my noble friend pointed out, the rationale for the amendment has been changing while the Bill ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2261 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Donaghy, for her amendments and for the contribution s...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2261 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. The point I was making was that, if unions put the date on t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2261-2 (Link to this contribution)

We will come back to that. In the mean time, I will deal with a different point. I have a serious...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2262 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Minister give me a specific answer about the issue of contingency plans? The impact ass...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2262 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like to look into that and revert, either under a later amendment or in writin...

Baroness Donaghy | 768 c2262 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response and echo what she said about taking every opportunity to av...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2262 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Collins of Highbury

35: Clause 8, page 4, line 14, leave out “four” and...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2263-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two clear issues to consider in relation to this clause. The first is whether...

Lord Morris of Handsworth | 768 c2266 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Collins has drawn attention to the mandate and its expiry. In part...

Lord Deben | 768 cc2266-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to the debates on the last three amendments and have noticed a crucial ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 768 c2267 (Link to this contribution)

I go back to Ted Heath and 1971 and 1972, as the noble Lord does. I think it is unnecessary to us...

Lord Deben | 768 c2267 (Link to this contribution)

It would obviously be unsuitable for me to make any comment whatsoever about the current strike, ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2267 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to correct the idea that nobody is concerned about the consequences of industrial act...

Lord Deben | 768 c2268 (Link to this contribution)

First, I did not accuse anybody of not caring about the passenger or the customer. I merely point...

Lord Oates | 768 c2268 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord accept on this point that many of us are opposed to most of the measures in ...

Lord Deben | 768 c2268 (Link to this contribution)

I fear I have to say to the noble Lord that I am much older than he is. I remember exactly that a...

Lord Deben | 768 c2268 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lords opposite do not think that, they had better have a few words with some of the ...

Lord Oates | 768 c2269 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot account for the arguments that other people made a long time ago; as the noble Lord righ...

Lord Deben | 768 c2269 (Link to this contribution)

I hoped that I was addressing this with a certain degree of care. I do not want to enter into the...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2269 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill removes the requirement to take industrial action within 28 days. Does the noble Lord th...

Lord Deben | 768 c2269 (Link to this contribution)

I give way regularly because I much prefer debate in this House. I do not much like the system th...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 768 cc2270-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely agree with my noble friend Lord Deben that strikes are, on the whole, to be ...

Lord Morris of Handsworth | 768 c2271 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just for the record, I have been misquoted. I did not argue the case for four months; w...

Lord Jordan | 768 c2271 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for being unable, through my own fault, to speak at Second Reading. I give ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 768 cc2271-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a retired member of Unite. I joined my first trade union in 19...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 768 cc2272-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of Labour amendments, particularly Amendment 38, seeks to inject a further t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2273-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have discussed at length the problems that are caused by old ballot mandates. For pu...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2274 (Link to this contribution)

Just for clarity, the purpose of the 28 days is to ensure—whatever the rights and wrongs—that ind...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2274-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his measured response. I agree with the point that was made about trad...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2275 (Link to this contribution)

It is important, before we come back to these issues, to note that when we make legislation, it s...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2275 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to what has been said and, as your Lordships know, have already wound u...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2275 (Link to this contribution)

I assume the Minister is asking me to withdraw my amendment, but I repeat that this is an issue w...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2276 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stoneham of Droxford

41: Clause 9, page 4, leave out lines 36 to 38 and...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 cc2276-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I emphasise the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Deben, that strikes are not happy si...

Lord Monks | 768 cc2278-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham. I ask the same question...

Lord De Mauley | 768 cc2279-2280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the gist of the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, is to render the provision...

Lord Dykes | 768 cc2280-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, for the points he made; I agree very much with t...

Lord Callanan | 768 c2281 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened very carefully to noble Lords who have spoken in favour of these amendm...

Lord Monks | 768 c2281 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that the examples given by the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, are illegal...

Lord Callanan | 768 c2281 (Link to this contribution)

Well, they might be against the code but, as I understand it, the code is voluntary at the moment...

Lord Cormack | 768 c2282 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House for long. In 1970, I was elected to the other place f...

Lord Oates | 768 cc2282-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak briefly in support of the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Stone...

Baroness Donaghy | 768 cc2283-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a couple of brief points. There is an irony in this debate, because most of...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2284-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very effective discussion on these clauses—effective because we are chall...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2285-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Stoneham, for his amendment and for bringing up his experie...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2288 (Link to this contribution)

They already are, so why does that need to be statutory?

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2288 (Link to this contribution)

It is in the code, of course, but it is not in the legislation and it is not legally enforceable ...

Lord Monks | 768 c2288 (Link to this contribution)

The current relationship of the law to the code is important. The code is taken into account in a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2288-9 (Link to this contribution)

I note what the noble Lord says. In a sense, I think he is making the same point as the noble Lor...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2289 (Link to this contribution)

This returns to the point about reasonable people. How will the requirement that the person be fa...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 cc2289-2290 (Link to this contribution)

That is a good question, but my understanding is that provisions relating to familiarity are not ...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 cc2290-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply to these amendments. I welcome the support my amendments had f...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2291 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Collins of Highbury

57: Clause 10, page 6, line 1, leave out “in writin...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2291-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have two groups dealing with this clause. In a later group, my noble friend Lady Smi...

Lord Robathan | 768 c2292 (Link to this contribution)

Surely this Bill is talking about what was agreed by the TUC in 1984—we have the letters. It was ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2292-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that we will come on to that requirement. One thing that this debate has to deal with i...

Lord Callanan | 768 c2293 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I have the honour of serving on the committee whi...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 cc2293-5 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord wants me to give a long lecture on the Collins review, I shall be very happy to...

Lord King of Bridgwater | 768 c2295 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel that, in a sense, these debates are in the wrong order. The noble Lord is talkin...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2296 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. The noble Lord, Lord King, is right. I could not predict the...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2296 (Link to this contribution)

Are we not going to have a preliminary debate on this? I want to make the same point as was made ...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 768 c2296 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I know. I am getting there. I am quite entitled to make my points, as the amendment has been...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 768 c2297 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose that we adjourn and that I answer the questions that have been raised by the ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 768 c2297 (Link to this contribution)

Okay. In the light of those comments, I will withdraw the amendment, as long as I can then interr...

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