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Energy Bill [HL]

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 14 September 2015, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (third day). Clauses 59-60 and 62-63, agreed to. Clause 61, as amended, agreed to. Title, as amended, agreed to. Bill reported with amendments.
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Parliamentary proceeding
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764 cc1660-1720 
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2015-16
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report.
Wednesday, 23 July 2014
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Energy Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 9 July 2015
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Energy Bill [HL]. Constitution Committee (HL) fourth report.
Monday, 20 July 2015
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee sixth report.
Wednesday, 22 July 2015
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Teverson | 764 cc1661-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have also put my name to this proposal, therefore I will speak on it on behalf of the...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 764 c1663 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, on whether keeping this clause in the Bill is ...


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Lord Howell of Guildford | 764 cc1663-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am waiting for my noble friend Lord Ridley to give his limpid views on the futu...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1665-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for introducing this clause stand part ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1666 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may deal first with the so-called extra day in Committee and, for the first t...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1666 (Link to this contribution)

I communicated through our Whips this morning that it was acceptable. They are in communication w...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1666-7 (Link to this contribution)

We had corresponded directly earlier but I accept that the situation is fine. Technically it is n...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 764 c1667 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Minister can tell us how that relates to Clause 59.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1667-8 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has made a fair point but I am coming on to Clause 59 and will happily do so. Of c...

Lord Teverson | 764 cc1668-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister and everybody else who has taken part in this debate.

First ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1669 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

34AA: Clause 60, page 31, line 36, at end insert—

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1669-1670 (Link to this contribution)

We now pass to the second relatively controversial aspect of this Bill: the decision to close the...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 764 cc1670-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first say a word of thanks to the noble Lord, Lord Bourne, because I sounded a bit in...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 cc1671-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the amendments tabled. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bourne, for indicating th...

Viscount Ridley | 764 cc1672-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before coming to the substance of the amendment, perhaps I may express my gratitude to ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 764 c1673 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Viscount is making a powerful and coherent argument, but does he not agree that all we ...

Viscount Ridley | 764 c1673 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but the point is that a lot of the subsidy that would go to Scottish wind farms comes from E...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1673-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for moving the amendment and noble Lords ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response, and for the contributions from other no...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

34B: Clause 60, page 31, line 39, at beginning insert “...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1675-6 (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 34B, I shall also speak to Amendments 34C, 34D and 35D in this group on the d...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 cc1676-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for speaking to these amend...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 764 cc1677-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments. I was not sure whether I would speak to this group ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 764 c1679 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just remembered that I should have declared an interest earlier, as I did at Sec...

Baroness Byford | 764 cc1679-1680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may make a small contribution. I apologise to other noble Lords that I was no...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 c1680 (Link to this contribution)

The point I was making was that if the Government had not done anything about grace periods, liti...

Baroness Byford | 764 c1680 (Link to this contribution)

I fully understood what the noble and learned Lord said and I took it on board, because clearly o...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1680-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for moving the amendment. I hope to expla...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1683 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his comments and for the contributions from other nob...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1683 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I did not give the impression that I find it irritating to give a running commentary. I do...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1683-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord. The grace period is incredibly important. We are talking about sunk costs...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 cc1684-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we gave notice that we would seek to oppose that Clause 60 stand part of the Bill as an...

Viscount Ridley | 764 cc1686-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I kept my powder dry on the general points until now, which ran the risk that some of t...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 764 cc1688-1690 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests, as I did on earlier days in Committee, as president of the Ener...

Lord Teverson | 764 cc1690-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may intervene on a couple of those issues. The noble Lord, Lord Howell, compl...

Viscount Ridley | 764 c1692 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I wonder if he could answer the question that I posed: how much ...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1692 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree about the failure of gas to drive out coal. That is why I have been a major ad...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1692-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace, for opposing the Question th...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1693-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, at least for her very last point about how she is looking forward to ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1695 (Link to this contribution)

We will consider this matter later but it is simply not true that we are ahead of our European re...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1695 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Baroness will agree that we are on track in relation to the electricity ambition...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1695 (Link to this contribution)

The obligation relates not to electricity but to energy. There is no electricity obligation of an...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1695-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, onshore wind has deployed successfully to date and is an important part of our energy m...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1696 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt but this is an important part of the Bill. Can the Minister explain how i...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1696-7 (Link to this contribution)

On that specific point, the noble Baroness will know that the costs of deploying some renewable t...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 cc1697-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has indicated that a justification for the position is to reduce domestic consumer b...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1698 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord has correctly identified the part of the impact assessment that deals ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1698 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the impact assessment is really rather lacking in detail. It may make those assumption...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1698 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that obviously there is a question about what is used instead. However, I remind the nob...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 764 cc1698-1700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who took part in this debate and, indeed, to the ...

Lord Grantchester | 764 c1700 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Grantchester

35: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Grantchester | 764 cc1700-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to propose Amendment 35 and declare an interest, in that I am undertaking a plan...

Lord Whitty | 764 c1702 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is also on the amendment, but I must apologise to the Committee for not being h...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1702 (Link to this contribution)

Although I agree in principle with what this amendment is trying to get at, I have a recollection...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Grantchester and Lord Whitty, for proposing this amendmen...

Lord Grantchester | 764 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and for being keen to hear about our policies. I wa...

Lord Whitty | 764 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

35A: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

“De...

Lord Whitty | 764 cc1704-5 (Link to this contribution)

In the unavoidable absence of my noble friend Lord Foulkes, I will speak to Amendment 35A. As we ...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1705 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was pleased to add my name to the amendment, although I do not pretend to be an exper...

Lord Deben | 764 cc1705-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is not for the chairman of the Committee on Climate Change to comment much on the me...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1707-1710 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Whitty for introducing this amendment and to the ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1710-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, for moving the amendment, but perhaps I may turn f...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will forgive me if I did not catch this properly, but are the Government saying that...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords. I was saying that we would not support additional power sector targets. As I unders...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

The target is not in existence. The power was created in the Energy Act to allow the Secretary of...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate that point. On the clause as set out, I have made it clear that we will no...

Lord Whitty | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I understand that right it is very disappointing. I can understand the objection, or...

Lord Teverson | 764 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

I am not quite sure how to ask the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, this, but having read the Conservativ...

Lord Whitty | 764 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not quite such a conscientious and diligent reader of the manifestos of various pa...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

To be helpful, in view of the fact that there is a degree of uncertainty about what the manifesto...

Lord Whitty | 764 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was very generous of the Minister. I thank him very much, as I think the Committee...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1712 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

35B: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1712-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was an interesting debate. It has slightly changed the context for the next two am...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1715 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for moving this amendment. She is right: ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1715 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his response although I do not believe that it adeq...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly write to the noble Baroness on those points.

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. On the basis that we will continue this discussion and I will be in touch o...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

35C: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Worthington | 764 cc1716-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 35C would insert a new clause after Clause 60 to require that an allocation r...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 cc1718-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for moving this amendment. She will know ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I find it quite curious that an amendment asking for greater certainty in C...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, I am happy to endeavour to make the amendments available. What I cannot do, and I ...

Baroness Worthington | 764 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the Minister has been so excellent in communicating with us in Committee, I am happy t...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

36: Clause 61, page 33, line 14, leave out “or” a...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 764 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

In the Title, line 1, after “functions;” insert “...

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