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International Development (Official Development Assistance Target) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Friday, 6 February 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Purvis of Tweed. The answering member was Baroness Northover.
Lords committee stage. Clauses 1 to 6 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment. (Part 2 of 2.)
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Parliamentary proceeding
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759 cc978-1012 
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2014-15
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Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c978 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market

6: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “in a...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c978 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Best, leaves the Chamber it is highly appropriate that this...


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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 759 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I must advise the Committee that if this amendment is agreed, I am not able to call Amendment 7 b...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c979 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for keeping his word this morning when he said that his...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Purvis for that response. It is very helpful to have it on the recor...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc979-980 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lawson of Blaby

8: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c980 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is also in the name of my noble friends Lord McGregor and Lord Tugendhat...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 759 c980 (Link to this contribution)

In response to that point, it is important for noble Lords and for the noble Lord himself to note...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc980-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is our job to do our duty. That argument could have been used by the noble Lord and the noble ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc981-2 (Link to this contribution)

I support my noble friend in respect of this amendment. Our GDP is forecast to increase by more t...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c982 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the whole concept of seeking to add legislative exceptions to the UK meeting its intern...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc982-3 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend will have an opportunity to sum up this short debate. I am sure that, in his argu...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c983 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has been asked two specific questions. One was asked by my noble friend, which was...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c983 (Link to this contribution)

In maintaining our target of 0.7% of GNI, it is perfectly clear what profile GNI will have with t...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c983 (Link to this contribution)

Again, can the noble Lord answer the question that I asked him? Is he content to have a situation...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c984 (Link to this contribution)

I referred to the very useful Library paper which shows that the UK’s contribution to development...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc984-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that most recent exchange between my noble friends Lord Forsyth and Lord Purvis has bee...

Viscount Astor | 759 c985 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Astor

18: Clause 2, page 2, line 15, at end insert—

“( ) the ...

Viscount Astor | 759 cc985-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment is, I hope, a modest and helpful one that might find some favour with the ...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 c986 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we are looking at page 2 of the Bill and the amendment of my noble friend Lord Astor...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc986-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall respond to the questions put to me. I apologise to my noble friend Lord Astor i...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c987 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on that point about the use of multilateral organisations, does the Minister agree with...

Baroness Northover | 759 c987 (Link to this contribution)

I mentioned earlier the way in which the notes promising the assistance were carried through. Obv...

Baroness Northover | 759 c988 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make some progress. I am sure that the noble Lord will come back in again. I assu...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c988 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my noble friend. I do not mean to harass her, but she did not really deal w...

Baroness Northover | 759 c988 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what my noble friend is saying. I can totally refute that. If the noble Lord were to...

Lord Fowler | 759 c988 (Link to this contribution)

Would my noble friend also agree that the Global Fund is probably one of the most cost-effective ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c988 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely happy to endorse that.

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc988-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not really intending to speak on this amendment, but I want to get to the bottom ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c989 (Link to this contribution)

That was what I was refuting. The NAO report that the noble Lord quoted—I have read every word of...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c989 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, perhaps I may get absolute clarity on this. The reports states,...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc989-990 (Link to this contribution)

What I am saying—I hope that it is clear—is that DfID needs to decide how it is going to spend it...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c990 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Astor for his amendment, for being consistent with the poi...

Viscount Astor | 759 cc990-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, for his response. Obviously I do not have...

Baroness Northover | 759 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I can assure my noble friend that that will still be the case: there will be flexibility.

Viscount Astor | 759 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to hear that. It certainly satisfies one of my concerns. I still think that the depa...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c991 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market

23: Clause 5, page 2, line 35, at end insert...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 cc991-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hollick, is very sad that he cannot be here—his name is on the ame...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c993 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord MacGregor. There should be no difficulty whatever in the...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c994 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. Like my noble friend, I was very surprised that the pro...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc994-5 (Link to this contribution)

To start, I agree with noble Lords that the principle of independent evaluation is extremely impo...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c995 (Link to this contribution)

I was puzzled when my noble friend said she does not believe that there should be a particular or...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c995 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Baroness help me in respect of this amendment? Clause 5 says:

“The Secretar...

Baroness Northover | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

When the Bill was introduced, there was considerable concern about duplication because ICAI exist...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my noble friend, but what then does Clause 5(2) mean when it states:

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Baroness Northover | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

As a former Equalities Minister, perhaps we should take through some legislation saying that it i...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

I am just saying that the guidance given does not provide for that. If she wants to change the gu...

759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

No, you have diverted.

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, very stupidly, I have diverted from my main point. As we are here discussing not equality le...

Baroness Northover | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we are talking about equality legislation here—greater equality between well-off and...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very important point, but can my noble friend answer my question, which is: why is it n...

Lord Lucas | 759 c996 (Link to this contribution)

I would like an answer to that perfectly sensible question. What is that subsection doing there? ...

Baroness Northover | 759 c997 (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords can be totally reassured that DfID will continue to be fully scrutinised. My noble fr...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c997 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I hope that the House will appreciate, the sponsors of the Bill are responsible for ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c997 (Link to this contribution)

It has been a pleasure to allow my noble friend to intervene on me today, so I would be churlish ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c997 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord for answering the question which the Minister did not answer...

Baroness Northover | 759 c998 (Link to this contribution)

Do noble Lords have the Bill here? Perhaps my noble friend might bear in mind that the Secretary ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c998 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will of course allow my noble friend to intervene on my noble friend who intervened o...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c998 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister. She says that the Secretary of State has to make an annual re...

Baroness Northover | 759 c998 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am bringing my noble friend back to the fact that the Secretary of State makes an annual re...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc998-9 (Link to this contribution)

And very good they are too. My issue is: how do you make an annual statement about how the Secret...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c999 (Link to this contribution)

In a second. My noble friend’s amendment seeks to have an independent body that reports to Parlia...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 759 c999 (Link to this contribution)

With all due respect to the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, I suspect that most other Members in your L...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c999 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord understands it so well, perhaps he could explain it to me.

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc999-1000 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder if I may draw this to a conclusion from my point of view before my noble frien...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

Not this noble friend; I meant my noble friend Lord MacGregor.

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. I think that we have had sufficient discussion for the day about Clause 5(2), but we have st...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 cc1000-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share my noble friend’s concerns about this. We have been given very inadequate answe...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market

25: Clause 5, page 2, line 39, at end insert...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may seem a little odd, having been somewhat critical of how independent the Independ...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1001-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I reassure my noble friends in relation to ICAI that it already reports to Parliament v...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1002 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have nothing to add from the point of view of the sponsors of the Bill to the reassur...

Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 759 c1002 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that response, and it encourages me that the discussion that we had on the prev...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1002 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tugendhat

26*: Clause 5, page 2, line 39, at end insert—

“( ) The...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 cc1002-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that we are nearing the end—I hope so—of what, to me, has been a deeply depress...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. With regard to this specific amendment, could he...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

If I felt it was sufficient, I would not be suggesting the three propositions put down in the ame...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord saying that the reports, or the information in them, have been insufficient? Co...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that the Secretary of State must include in each report an explanation of how the imp...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has just told the House that the reports so far, which have already been provided...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

I am talking only about the future. The amendment refers quite explicitly to the future. I hope I...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1004-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend and very much agree with his remarks in respect of the conduc...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend mentioned climate change—

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

It is particularly relevant to what we are debating today, and I very much hope that the Minister...

Baroness Northover | 759 cc1005-6 (Link to this contribution)

I say to my noble friend Lord Tugendhat that I never expected anything other than full scrutiny o...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 cc1006-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to respond to the points that have been made. I hope ...

Lord Tugendhat | 759 c1007 (Link to this contribution)

I will make just two points. First, as regards participation in the debate, I was very pleased to...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean

27: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at last we are getting to the end of these amendments—long after sunset, I suspect.

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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 cc1008-9 (Link to this contribution)

I hear gasps from the back. It is exactly the same argument. The argument by CND was that if we g...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree slightly with my noble and tireless friend Lord Forsyth in that he talks about the oth...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting. I was not advancing that view: I was just repeating the view put ea...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 759 cc1009-1010 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the implications are that this is not the kind of encouragement that will move them be...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 759 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on a number of occasions today I have referred noble Lords to the Second Reading debate...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 759 cc1010-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the hour is late so I shall be brief. My noble friend Lord Purvis made a point about th...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 759 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, of course, if Labour wins the next general election there will be a massive cut in the ...

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