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Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 12 January 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Neville-Rolfe.
Lords committee second day. Clauses 15 to 37 agreed to, with clause 35 agreed to as amended.
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2014-15
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill 2014-15. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 19 November 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee eleventh report.
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Thirteenth report.
Thursday, 8 January 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Colwyn | 758 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, should there be a Division in the Chamber whilst we are sitting, the Committee will adj...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c81GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

33B: Clause 15, page 17, line 18, at end insert—

“( ) ...


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Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc81-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of Clause 15 is to set a timetable to streamline the process for companies ...

Lord Popat | 758 cc83-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, for this very important amendment. I understan...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. It may not have appeared so, but I am somewhat exci...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c85GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

33C: Clause 17, page 18, line 13, at end insert—...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 cc85-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill creates a duty on the relevant Minister of the Crown to appoint a person for e...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc88-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendment relating to the appointment of small business ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her very clear exposition. I agree that we should focus on sma...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c89GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

33D: Clause 17, page 18, line 20, leave out “and...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 cc89-91GC (Link to this contribution)

In some sense this group of amendments is the continuation of the earlier debate, but it now focu...

Lord Deben | 758 c91GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to warn the Committee—and I hope that the Minister will accept this warning—of t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc91-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for the amendments and for the opportunity to debate the role of the champion...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her comments. I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Deben, took exception...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c93GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

33G: Clause 17, page 18, line 32, at end insert—

“( ) ...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc93-4GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 33G, I will also speak to Amendments 33K, 33N, 33S and 33T.

While we ar...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc94-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, for his explanation of these amendments, which...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and am very grateful for her response. While small businesses will be the di...

Baroness Thornton | 758 c96GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

33H: Clause 17, page 19, line 14, at end insert—

“( ...

Baroness Thornton | 758 cc96-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to be in the Grand Committee today to support my noble friends a...

Viscount Eccles | 758 cc97-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is one amendment to Clause 21 in this group. If the Committee will allow me, I wi...

Lord Deben | 758 cc98-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having been critical of what I am afraid I referred to as persiflage in an earlier amen...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc99-100GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her amendments relating to the scope of the cha...

Lord Deben | 758 c100GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend said earlier on that this would not apply to the financial regulators. Some of us...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c100GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for his intervention because it gives me the opportunity to explain that ...

Baroness Thornton | 758 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

Rereading this, I wonder whether I could ask the Minister a question about Clause 21(4), which sa...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for bringing her experience of other areas, with a certain l...

Baroness Thornton | 758 c101GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for intervening, but the noble Baroness will be aware that, if this is done...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc101-2GC (Link to this contribution)

We are serious about the terms of our consultation. I have explained why I

Baroness Thornton | 758 c102GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that comprehensive answer. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Deben, for refer...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

33P: Clause 22, page 21, line 42, leave out subs...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to be clear, this is a probing amendment, which could be called the “lowest minded” of ...

Viscount Eccles | 758 c103GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, said reinforces my view that the question of impac...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c104GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for tabling this probing amendment. To answer his quest...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 cc104-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I prefaced what I said by saying that it was a very low-minded question. I hoped that I...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c105GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

33Q: Clause 23, page 23, line 30, leave out from...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 cc105-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 33Q and the others in the group, I think that this is probably...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc106-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, for his questions and for allowing us to debate...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c107GC (Link to this contribution)

That is, of course, true and I have read that. Clause 27(2) specifies that, but Clause 27(3) says...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc107-8GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has anticipated me. Voluntary shops presumably would be covered, but I will come o...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c108GC (Link to this contribution)

Not quite. I do not think that it is reassuring. I am getting more and more like the noble Viscou...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c109GC (Link to this contribution)

We are building on existing good practice, which I have explained. If small bodies such as the on...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c109GC (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate what the Minister is saying, but I do not see a de minimis provision here. Perhaps t...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c109GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the concern that has been raised and given that, as the noble Lord, Lord Stevenso...

Viscount Eccles | 758 c109GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have found myself in support of the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, on other occasions. I...

Lord Curry of Kirkharle | 758 c109GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that my interests in this are understood by most in the Room, in that I chair t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 758 c110GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is helpful and a conversation around some of these issues might be revealing. Whil...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c111GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

33BC: Clause 33, page 29, line 12, after the second “busines...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc111-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 33BC, I will speak also to Amendments 33BD and 33 BG. The amendment...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc113-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for taking us back to the question of definitions in th...

Lord Cope of Berkeley | 758 c114GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to reinforce some of what my noble friend the Minister has just said with regard...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc114-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. The noble Lord, Lord Cope, made an important point about the ...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 c115GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mendelsohn

33BE: Clause 33, page 29, line 28, at end insert—

“( )...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc115-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 33BE I will also speak to Amendment 33BF. For veteran observers of ...

Lord Deben | 758 cc118-120GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask my noble friend to take very seriously the issues which are raised here. I look a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc120-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his amendments on treating businesses as consumers. Like my ...

Lord Mendelsohn | 758 cc122-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Deben, for his powerful speech in Committee. I strongly agree with h...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c124GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

33BH: Clause 35, page 32, line 27, at end in...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 cc125-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 33BH stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Stevenson. It deals w...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc126-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, back to the Dispatch Box on the Bill. I star...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c128GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was not meant as a probing amendment at all. It was tabled because the very senior a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c128GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is rightly concerned about this question ending up in court with lots of legal...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

That is why we thought it should go in the Bill rather than waiting for regulations. I think that...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the figure that the noble Baroness would like, so I shall write to her. However, th...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

Existing businesses that will lose the right to secure tenure are those where the landlord has ac...

Lord Geddes | 758 cc129-130GC (Link to this contribution)

Before calling Amendment 34, I must advise the Grand Committee that if it is agreed to I will not...

Lord Popat | 758 c130GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Popat

34: Clause 35, page 32, line 36, leave out from “instrument” to e...

Lord Popat | 758 cc130-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, amendments to Clause 35 will help to clarify the definition of home businesses to be ca...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc131-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

35: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord Cromwell | 758 c132GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Cromwell

35A: After Clause 35, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Cromwell | 758 cc132-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise most sincerely that events conspired so that I was unable to attend earlier...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 758 c133GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was tempted to intervene in the last debate that we had on the amendment of the noble...

Lord Cromwell | 758 c133GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to disillusion the noble Lord but I am very grateful for his support. I must disabuse him ...

Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 758 cc133-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not take away from my comments because that is exactly how I was behaving in those elections...

Earl of Lytton | 758 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cromwell, raises an interesting point. Before I go any further, I ...

Lord Deben | 758 cc135-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we should be very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Cromwell, for raising this question....

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc136-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the noble Lord, Lord Cromwell, to the Committee and thank him for joining our...

Lord Deben | 758 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

I was referring not to that issue, but to the issue of clearing up the connection between busines...

Lord Deben | 758 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, the capital gains tax element becomes very serious in that regard. I know that my noble frie...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand what my noble friend says. He is talking about untoward effects, which we are not in...

Lord Cromwell | 758 c138GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for her comments and to the range of speakers for the br...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

35B: Clause 36, page 33, line 31, leave out ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 cc139-140GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Stevenson. I shall speak a...

Lord Deben | 758 cc140-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I did not intend to speak on this but the noble Baroness has referred to me so often. I had bette...

Lord Whitty | 758 cc141-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for having joined your Lordships so late that you seemed t...

Lord Deben | 758 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

There is a fundamental difference between saying that the CMA should consult with a range of bodi...

Lord Whitty | 758 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have limited time as we are in Committee so I will only take a moment. It is certain...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 758 c143GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being here at the beginning of proceedings, but I have to intervene...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 cc144-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 36 is important and I thank the noble Baroness for providing us with an opportun...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c146GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister but her suspicions, as ever, are completely accurate. We do not agree.

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c146GC (Link to this contribution)

I agree that consumers are absolutely central to this. I have said it on many occasions, but I be...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 c146GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister might well say that. However, the Which? manifesto—I gather there is a general elect...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 758 c146GC (Link to this contribution)

There are systems within the CMA set-up, including the CPP, which allows it to consult on things....

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 758 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister thinks that we are not very far away. She is saying “Do it in consultation” and I am...

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